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GithubBot[foswiki] foswiki pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/s0RxSQ
[foswiki/master] Item11114: Change __DATA__ sections to __END__ - GeorgeClark
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GithubBot[foswiki] foswiki pushed 1 new commit to Release01x01: http://git.io/BM_Acg
[foswiki/Release01x01] Item11114: Change __DATA__ sections to __END__ - GeorgeClark
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pharveyBabar: there might be some alternatives to git submodules. Sparse checkouts and git-subtree? Anyway, I've discovered git clean -fdX - clean only ignored (generated) files. vs git clean -fdx, cleans everything (including ignored files). [04:19]
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SvenDowideithit a milestone last night - PrefsTests run on store2.0
and some of the store smoketests also work !!
not so simple q - is anyone working on merging timothe's task code?
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CDotInspirational typography: http://bibliodyssey.blogspot.com/2011/02/sanborn-fire-insurance-map-typography.html
SvenDowideit: what "task code"?
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pharveySvenDowideit, not I :/ [06:44]
SvenDowideittimothe made a cron trigger replacement thing that imo we should use for offloading lots of long running tasks
like rename...
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pharveyCDot: Foswiki:Development.PluginGarbageCollection [06:44]
CDotSvenDowideit: in my current work I have heavily refactored the store smoke tests [06:44]
FoswikiBothttp://foswiki.org/Development.PluginGarbageCollection [ PluginGarbageCollection ] [06:44]
SvenDowideitah
http://foswiki.org/Development/PeriodicTasks
CDot: oh wonderful
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CDotI've refactored into three "store levels" in the tests [06:44]
SvenDowideityou can see the changes i've made in github [06:45]
CDotthe existing RCS tests, which I've more fully decoupled from FW::Store and FW::Meta
tests for FW::Store, which are independent of the handler impl
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SvenDowideitreally simple - in that i've just renamed the calls from Foswiki::Meta-> to use the new store one, and to use a new function to finish and create a new session [06:45]
FoswikiBothttp://trunk.foswiki.org/System/PerlDoc?module=Foswiki::Meta [ (Foswiki login) PerlDoc ] [06:45]
CDotand the Store smoke tests - which are really directed tests aimed at the store implementation [06:45]
pharveypharvey happily building notes on Foswiki:Development.GitAndPseudoInstall :) [06:46]
FoswikiBothttp://foswiki.org/Development.GitAndPseudoInstall [ GitAndPseudoInstall ] [06:46]
SvenDowideiti'm trying hard not to modify the handlers so that should be good :)
CDot: can you push your proress to github too?
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CDotoh, the cron stuff? No, not me. [06:46]
SvenDowideitthat way we have a chance to compare
and even better, its trivial to add commit users on github
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CDotSvenDowideit: I'm planning to push to trunk initially, and merge to Release01x01 - the core changes were a lot smaller than I expected, and patchable [06:47]
SvenDowideitthat way, even if you abandon your idea, we have somewhere to look in 2 yeasr time [06:47]
pharveySvenDowideit: it seems git *can* do "partial checkouts" these days (though, it only saves on working tree space, you still can't get a partial clone of the history) [06:47]
CDotmost of the work is in the unit tests [06:47]
SvenDowideityes, planning [06:47]
CDotI'm nearly there. Today or tomorrow, depending on the weather. [06:47]
pharveyspeaking of tests, I was going to fix Foswiki::Address, wasn't I [06:48]
FoswikiBothttp://trunk.foswiki.org/System/PerlDoc?module=Foswiki::Address [ (Foswiki login) PerlDoc ] [06:48]
SvenDowideitreally i'm just trying to get you into the habbit of backing up your work on github :p
pharvey: y, and take a look at my github F::Addr
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CDotpharvey: I was just going to ask about that :-) [06:48]
SvenDowideitas i had to add a copy constructor, but i'm not sure about what i did [06:48]
pharveySvenDowideit, cool [06:49]
CDotSvenDowideit: I know. But the turmoil I would be thrown into by shifting to git right now is a distraction i don't need [06:49]
pharveyI found a script which can extract a subtree into another repo, so I'll graft your core/ work into my core module :) [06:49]
SvenDowideitCDot: oh, ok, i thought you were in git
ming you, if its an svn co
then its even easier
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CDotnot using git for FW ATM [06:50]
SvenDowideitas you can just git init ; git add* ; git commit ; git push....
and have svn to push changes to svn.fw.org and git to backup :)
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CDotCDot is down to his last unit test failure, though still needs to add a dozen or so new tests (mostly for attachments that have been mauled) [06:55]
SvenDowideitCDot: brilliant! [06:55]
CDotand I'm still unhappy about the use of stat()[0] [06:55]
SvenDowideitevery test is sacred :) [06:55]
CDot[9] I mean
pharvey: the 'T' is for 'Total'
pharvey: the 'H' is for 'Head'
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pharveylol
hrm, AddressTests pass for me
pharvey reads build log
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SvenDowideitpharvey: can't see where :) [06:57]
pharveythe failing AddressTest is an expected fail [06:59]
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pharveyso, AFAICT it should not be preventing a successful build
the only real failure was TWikiFuncTests::test_TWiki_web
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CDotSvenDowideit: I might be able to take a look in a few days [07:00]
SvenDowideitCDot: twould be great - I'd love to get regular and once off background tasks into the core so we can async slow things :) [07:01]
pharveyIt'd be cool if the backlink search part of rename was pluggable [07:02]
SvenDowideitthen we can head towards one single script rather than tools, bin and others
pharvey: search? pluggable? gosh :p
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CDotnot sure how much work is involved. If it's a couple of hours, I should be able to fit it in. [07:02]
SvenDowideity, thats part of the problem, we don't know how much work :) [07:03]
pharveySvenDowideit: replace the regex search a META:LINK query... you know what I mean :P [07:03]
SvenDowideitnoway :p replace regex search with..... hehehe [07:03]
pharvey(not that META:LINK works properly, but it will eventually) [07:03]
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pharveySvenDowideit: couldn't you have used a different branch name than 'master' :P [07:25]
Babartranslate.foswiki.org needs some fixing... I think the automatic cron job to submit stuff is gone, and I'm not sure how to fix that
but... no time today
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SvenDowideitpharvey: i coulda, and i shoulda, but git's 'wonderful' surely i can rename the branch :p [07:29]
Babargit checkout -b blah :p [07:30]
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pharveyBabar: did you ever come across git subtree? It's fantastic... I just split Sven's store2 work on core from his 'fat' repo into a clone of github.com:/foswiki/core.git submodule
notes at the end of http://trunk.foswiki.org/Development/GitAndPseudoInstall
http://foswiki.org/Development/GitAndPseudoInstall
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except the git commit IDs are totally different. Why :(
diff 676eed13605102787bb498f25ab0650b027fc300..5bfb10d0b1197006934d550ba6222fabe5375e2c yields no changes whatsoever
something for later...
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pharveyBabar: do you use an android phone? If so, what IRC client did you get? [09:30]
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CDotit would be nice to be able to run just one verify_ test from a testcase, in the way we can sun a single test_ test. [10:20]
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henkhi [10:35]
pharveyhowdy [10:48]
Babarpharvey: no, and I would just use ssh anyuway :) [10:50]
pharveypfff [10:51]
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foswiki_irc3hey room
was just wanting to know how to upgrade the windows installtion of foswiki, i used the installer package but now want to upgrade it
is it a simple copy and paste or do i need to be mindful of what i copy
thanks in advance
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pharveyfoswiki_irc3: I'd say "just extract the upgrade package over the top of the your installation", like we do in linux, but I suspect you might have to run the rewrite-shebang tool, ... or something [11:09]
foswiki_irc3one thing is that i have had no hand in actually installing it as ive just used the installer
so things like shebang tool elude me
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pharveyit's in tools/rewriteshebang.pl
oh: it re-writes the "shebang" line of all the scripts in bin/ (AFAIK)
sorry, I'm not much help. I don't run windows :/
alternatively, if you make a note/backup of the bin/ scripts, you could just copy them back after you extract the upgrade archive.
(obviously, you should make a backup of the whole thing :-)
foswiki_irc3: this might be of use - http://foswiki.org/Support/Question885
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foswiki_irc3thanks will ready through
so if i copy the bin folder back it should be fine?
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pharveyfoswiki_irc3: perhaps, I'm not sure (depends on whether we changed the bin files from 1.1.2 -> 1.1.3). The key is the first line of those files (that's the "shebang" line).
rewriteshebang tool adjusts that first line for windows (and other) systems when the perl interpreter exists at a non-standard location
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foswiki_irc3okay i just copied the bin files back and it seems to be working fine, and it sees that it on hte correct verison [11:47]
pharveycool :) [11:55]
leikpharvey, Item11088 [12:08]
FoswikiBothttp://foswiki.org/Tasks/Item11088 [ Item11088: MongoDB much slower when SEARCH outputs 'formfield()' ] [12:08]
leikI'm really banging my head.... [12:08]
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MichaelDaumhey guys: anybody been using ConfluenceToFoswikiContrib successfully?
this is genuin tmwiki.net code being half way foswikified
is it worth using
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SvenDowideitsorry, nope, confluence is an eco-system i've not had to migrate anyone away from [13:13]
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SvenDowideitweeeee, 3+hr's riding, ended up in Richterswil, but not until after riding most of the hills from my place to there - almost ended up in Einsiedeln, or Zug
there's heaps of nice singletrack at the top of many of these hills, and gee, i leant something today
time for a nap i suspect
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henkoh, swiss people :) [13:17]
SvenDowideithehe
productivity is king, clocking in and out pays me bugger all
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CDotCDot curses the loose coupling between meta-data and the store [14:17]
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SvenDowideitCDot: canyou explain ?
cos atm, i think i'm trying to make it much looser
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CDotwhy google routes me through Dublin to get from west liverpool to east liverpool? No, I can't. [14:37]
SvenDowideitoh, meta _data_ [14:37]
CDoty, meta-data, specicially %FILEATTACHMENT
IMHO that should be maintained by the store, deep down
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SvenDowideitok, that is looking like it might actually change
as i'm tending towards removing all the sub each*() calls from meta
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CDotwell, what I have works, but I can see so many inefficiencies it makes me weep [14:38]
SvenDowideitand replacing them with Foswiki::Store->each*(address=> [14:38]
FoswikiBothttp://trunk.foswiki.org/System/PerlDoc?module=Foswiki::Store [ (Foswiki login) PerlDoc ] [14:38]
SvenDowideitthat way, if you want a list of attachments on a topic, youre' asking the store, and a modern store won't be looking into the topic .txt [14:39]
CDotif you look at $meta->attach, you will see the hoops it navigates to faff around with the FILEATTACHMENT meta [14:39]
SvenDowideity, and there won't be a meta->attach [14:39]
CDotCDot is working within the bounds of the existing APIs [14:40]
SvenDowideitrather a Foswiki::Store->create({address{web=>, topic=> attachment=>.. and then Foswiki::Store->save(that thing
i'm just trying to give you an idea of where i'm heading with my code
in the hope that you can say, good, bad, or how about..
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CDotwell, we already discussed that (or something close) [14:41]
SvenDowideitya - but its easy to run off track while no-ones watching :) [14:41]
CDotmy head is deep in the store at the moment, and requires some archaeology before I can get back to your level :-( [14:41]
SvenDowideitcoolieo - will be good to get to there - just don't start from er, here :) [14:42]
CDottoo much of the meta-store-rcs code relies on something else doing certain key jobs [14:42]
SvenDowideitSvenDowideit has to go pick up some little kiddlywinks - i guess i should go get the same ones i saw this morning :) [14:42]
CDote.g. the Foswiki::Meta is expected to maintain the TOPICINFO and FILEATTACHMENTs, which is so wrong :-( [14:42]
FoswikiBothttp://trunk.foswiki.org/System/PerlDoc?module=Foswiki::Meta [ (Foswiki login) PerlDoc ] [14:42]
SvenDowideityup, thats just a serialisation artifact of the compratibility store
SvenDowideit is goan :)
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foswiki_irc6Hi. I'm migrating foswiki to a new a server and have successfully got the base install up but cannot login as admin. Can someone please help me??? :-) [15:35]
gac410foswiki_irc6: What do you mean by admin login? access to configure, or the admin login to the wiki itself? [15:39]
foswiki_irc6I meant the admin login to wiki itself. [15:40]
gac410Have you run configure, and saved the configuration, to set the admin password? [15:40]
foswiki_irc6no.
How do I run configure?
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gac410web - bin/configure
How did you install? debian packages, tarball, or just copied from the old server?
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foswiki_irc6I assume, this is from the cmd line? [15:41]
gac410no - web [15:41]
foswiki_irc6tarball. [15:41]
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foswiki_irc6I have not migrated any data yet [15:42]
gac410So after you expand the tarball and set up the apache configuration, you should run bin/configure with the browser. It will "guess" settings for the config. When you save, it will make you set the admin password.
See Foswiki:System/InstallationGuide
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FoswikiBothttp://foswiki.org/System/InstallationGuide [ InstallationGuide ] [15:43]
foswiki_irc6I just ran config and registered myself but didn't see a prompt for admin [15:44]
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gac410When you run configure, the first "save" will have you set a password. That is the password used by userid "admin"
What type of Foswiki login have you set up? Template login, or Apache?
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foswiki_irc6"none"
I take it, I really screwed up with the Apache config generator?"
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gac410Hm. I'm not sure foswiki will allow any login if set to "none" for login manager. That is used for a fully open wik.
What are you trying to do?
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foswiki_irc6Crap! Any suggestions on how I can recover? [15:49]
gac410I don't understand what you are trying to do. What type of authentication do you want? [15:50]
foswiki_irc6I'm trying to get this site up. I got frustrated with the generator and changed as little as possible until I got functional
Now I've got a functional site I can't login to!!! LOL
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gac410What type of login do you want. Do you want Foswiki to prompt you for WikiName/Password (Template login) Or Apache to prompt you? [15:51]
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foswiki_irc6I've grown accustomed to Foswiki prompting for login. What do you recommend? [15:52]
gac410So that is Template login. run bin/configure and make sure LoginManager is TemplateLogin, Mapping is TopicUserMapping, and PasswordManager is HtPasswdUser. [15:54]
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foswiki_irc6ok. It may take me a few. [16:08]
Plazma-Rooolzso if i wanted to move my foswiki pages/install to another production machine.. where does it store everything? [16:08]
gac410data and pub directories. Oh and working contains some important stuff - like timestamps of last webnotify mailings, etc. [16:09]
Plazma-Rooolzahh
i just got mine installed, trying to make a work documentation site.. seemed to be really neat
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gac410Always a surprise to forget working, and get an email for every change for every topic from forever. :-) [16:09]
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Lynnwoodany one using KinoSearchPlugin and contrib currently? I just installed it in a new installation and it's failing just in creating the index.
the error says "Can't locate KinoSearch1/InvIndexer.pm"
and sure enough, there is no KinoSearch1 in the lib directory, nor is there InvIndexer.pm anywhere.
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Lynnwoodnever mind. i see now it's a perl dependency. [17:31]
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CDotSvenDowideit: getting loads of failures in the TopicUserMappingContrib tests, apparently becuase the tests expect an attachment file size of 4.1K, but the file is only 4K here (maybe files are lighter in the northern hemisphere?)
CDot starts another full test run and heads off to make supper
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Babarhum... can't seem to be able to start the unit tests without LSC...
what the hell did pharvey break?
can't run unit tests at all!
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pseudo-install crashes between TablePlugin and TwistyPlugin
let's debug that...
good thing I'm totally bored today
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Babarthat's hilarious... it exits 25... but there are just 2 exits in the code: 0 and 1 [18:06]
Plazma-Rooolzso.. i'm editing a page in WYSIWYG and i have an ordered list created, but i want to add spaces between them.. i just tried using html <BR's at the end but it doesn't work.. any other or easy way to do this [18:13]
Babar%BR% [18:15]
Plazma-Rooolzthat work in WYSIWYG? [18:15]
Babarit should :)
oh... you want it to be displayed too?
then no.
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Plazma-Rooolzyea i want ti displayed that way [18:16]
Babarit will work when rendered, but WYSIWYG won't show it
then I don't know, sorry. Not a user of WYSIWYG
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Plazma-Rooolzahh
yea it works when rendered as you said, thx
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Babarok, found the bug... and I'll blame pharvey, even though half of it is my fault :) [18:23]
Plazma-Rooolzis there a known issue with using <verbatim> within an OL? [18:27]
Babarmost likely, it will break the rendering :) [18:28]
Plazma-Rooolzhmm.. that's what's happening.. anyway to get a subsection into a code-block looking thing? [18:29]
Babarbut if you use 1. , 2. .. wiki markup, it should do OK. Except it won't like carriage returns and might break the numbering... [18:30]
Plazma-Rooolzlike i have 8. This does this ...code here... [18:30]
Babarand the next one is 1. instead of 9., right?
Babar had this issues several years ago... don't remember if I ever worked around it
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Plazma-Rooolzit did do that actually..
but i had to re-fix it with redoing the OL
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Plazma-Rooolzahh damnit
now it really screwed my OL up :(
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why can't i go back to rev 1 and edit it?
apparently it screwed up on rev 2 and now i want to remove it
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Babaryou can easily restore it [18:42]
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Babarbut remove a revision is harder
requires manual doing... not sure you want to do that :)
if you click the "More topic actions", there is a field to restore revision 1.
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gac410CDot: ArthurClemens changed the attachment size reporting to integers 4K not 4.1K IIRC. So that is what is breaking the TopicUserMapping tests if they need 4.1K attachment size. [18:44]
ArthurClemensI did update that test
I believe
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gac410Okay - I was just responding to CDot's message a short time ago
getting loads of failures in the TopicUserMappingContrib tests, apparently becuase the tests expect an attachment file size of 4.1K, but the file is only 4K here (maybe files are lighter in the northern hemisphere?)
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Plazma-Rooolzahh thanks guys [18:47]
ArthurClemensdid I only update trunk perhaps? [18:47]
Plazma-Rooolzahh verbatim sorta worked.. but it's all horizontal and not vertical :P [18:49]
ArthurClemensright, my blame [18:50]
gac410hm. Tests are passing here - trunk and release branch. [18:51]
ArthurClemensno, the change was only on trunk on purpose
and the test has been updated here: http://trac.foswiki.org/changeset/12436
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BabarPlazma-Rooolz: verbatim is verbatim :) [18:52]
oh, maybe I should also commit that in the release branch... not sure if Paul "fixed" both [19:01]
gac410ArthurClemens: TopicUserMapping tests all passing here. CDot must be backlevel in svn updating [19:02]
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GithubBot[foswiki] foswiki pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/New_sg
[foswiki/master] Item10188: First, remove use English as it was useless and not consistent. Then, remove testing $@ after an eval, it does not add anything. Finally, fix the bug I was hunting: since we eval Foswiki, if we have ASSERTS on, all warn will then die. Securing $SIG{__WARN__} to avoid that - OlivierRaginel
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FoswikiBothttp://foswiki.org/Tasks/Item10188 [ Item10188: Make pseudo-install aware of git ] [19:17]
Babar4012 of 4280 test cases passed
ouch
7 failures:
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gac410Is that the bazillion Address failures? [19:21]
Babaryes, I guess
257 unexpected passes:
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gac410Yeah that 's the address tests I suspect - Have not heard from pharvey about what's going on there. [19:23]
Babar*** Failed to use ConfigureTests: Possible attempt to separate words with commas [19:24]
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Plazma-Rooolzso is there a way to change the Foswiki logo up on the top left? I assume there is [20:02]
BabarWIKILOGO... in SitePreferences
it's in some startup guide somewhere :)
WIKILOGOURL for the url when you click on it, and WIKILOGOIMG for the logo, iirc
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Plazma-Rooolzyea i should probably read that thing [20:08]
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GithubBot[foswiki] foswiki pushed 1 new commit to master: https://github.com/foswiki/foswiki/commit/7ba73dc9d34ead286a1f5ca389857b3f0129cbff
[foswiki/master] Item10247: more button work - ArthurClemens
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