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gac410Lynnwood: I've been looking at the MailerContrib subscription API. It doesn't look good for handling your "exception to a group" issue. [01:45]
Lynnwoodhmmm. sorry to hear that. [01:45]
gac410It can subscribe / unsubscribe (meaning add/remove) ... doesn't appear to understand adding a negative subscription. [01:45]
Lynnwoodi came up with a workaround (not using SubscribePlugin)
MailerrContrib does understand negative subscriptions... but you're saying SubscribePlugin doesn't know how to deal with them?
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gac410well the changeSubscription API of MailerContrib seems to be the issue. I added a unit test to subscribe a group, then unsubscribe a member of the group. [01:48]
Lynnwoodah, i understand now. [01:48]
gac410The unsubscribe creates an empty entry in the WebNotify topic for the user, but doesn't add a negative subscription for the User in the group. [01:48]
Lynnwoodright
i'm with you
of course the entry entry doesn't work anyway (the group issue aside)
s/entry entry/empty entry/ :-)
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gac410It is a simple (Web, user, topic-list, unsub-flag ) API. [01:50]
LynnwoodYou know, it's a drag that IfStatements don't have a regex type condition. One can only check for exact match of text.
I'm trying to redo a bunch of IFDEFINED tags and this is a real block.
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gac410Yeah - have to use spreadsheetPlugin to do stuff like that. [02:03]
Lynnwoodguess so
it's such a common use case though...
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gac410committed a unit test for Item11131 - expected fail that unsubscribe doesn't work for user subscribed via a group membership [02:05]
FoswikiBothttp://foswiki.org/Tasks/Item11131 [ Item11131: SubscribePlugin fails to unsubscribe a user when prior subscription is for a group ] [02:05]
LynnwoodThank you! [02:05]
gac410Looking at the code in MailerContrib though this is a CDot task - pretty complex stuff. [02:06]
Lynnwoodjeez... doing a simply text comparison condition is not easy with SpreadSheetPlugin either... :-\ [02:09]
pharveyLynnwood: if statements *do* have a regex condition [02:17]
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GithubBot[foswiki] foswiki pushed 1 new commit to Release01x01: http://git.io/4IQ5FA
[foswiki/Release01x01] Item11131: Unit test to show failure to unsubscrib - GeorgeClark
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pharveyLynnwood: Eg. %IF{"'Foo'=~'^F.*'"
we added a 'match' operator in Foswiki 1.1.0, though it didn't work properly until 1.1.2
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Lynnwoodpharvey: how am i missing that.
is it in the docs?
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pharveyyes [02:18]
Lynnwoododd... [02:18]
pharveySystem.QuerySearch
Though it might not be documented, that IF statements are really QuerySearch statements...
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gac410Why not in IfStatements [02:19]
pharvey(or at least a version of them)
gac410, agreed, it probably needs to be in IfStatements doc
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Lynnwoodbut QuerySearch doesn't use that syntax. it uses a wildcard, not a regex. [02:20]
pharveyQuerySearch has a =~ as well as ~ [02:20]
Lynnwoodwhoa! have i missed that? it certainly didn't use to be there.
well look at that...!
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pharveyit should have been there in 1.1.0, but my memory might be off
you can also use d2n(), lc(), uc(), any QuerySearch op in an IF statement
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Lynnwoodwell thanks for pointing it out [02:21]
pharveyand IF has some extras like defined, istopic, etc
no problem
seems like we should update our doc, as usual :)
if you have time to raise a task, I'll get to it in my next documentation gardening marathon before Foswiki 1.2/2.0 :)
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gac410=~ is indeed documented in QuerySearch - but it isn't obvious that %IF can use all syntax of the QuerySearch [02:22]
Lynnwoodi think that perhaps the main thing that should be added to IfStatement in regards to QuerySearch syntax is that it does not need to have a topic context.
e.g. one can use the syntax for comparing strings.
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pharveytrue
gac410: have you used git on windows? Is there a preferred installer/tool?
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gac410not git - did install a svn tool - IMHO it was hideous [02:26]
pharveyhehe [02:26]
gac410Slow, and needed to update each extension one at a time. I can't recall the details now - just that I hated it and decided it was easier to zip up my pseudo-install on linux and unzip on windows. [02:28]
pharveyouch [02:29]
gac410I guess its mostly I dislike working with gui tools. [02:31]
pharveygit seems to have a nice windows installer for command-line usage
apparently they even package a bash shell with it, but supposedly works with cmd
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gac410that would be really nice. I guess it was the svn gui I didn't like. Yeah tortisesvn ... I thought the name was particularly appropriate. [02:33]
LynnwoodThanks for the help gents! I got that little issue solved and am heading to bed. [02:33]
pharveynp [02:34]
gac410g'night Lynnwood. sorry for the misdirection about regex. I had missed that little feature. [02:34]
Lynnwoodgac410: no worries. it helped me sort it all out and forced me to look closer at latest doc. that's a good thing. :-)
later...
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pharveygac410: looks like NTFS from vista onwards supports proper symlinks
mklink
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j_wrightyou mean hardlinks? [02:39]
gac410I vaguely remember reading that somewhere [02:40]
j_wrightoh it is symbolic
the unix subsystem supported them but they didn't work in win32 until vista i guess
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pharveyyeah. And apprently windows2000 onwards has "junction points", which seem a bit like a hardlink to directories only [02:42]
j_wrightyeah
and windows nt 4 (maybe 3.5) supported hardlinks with the posix subsystem
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pharveywe really need to make pseudo-install more bearable for windows development
mklink seems to be an easy way to do that
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j_wrightyou have to be an adminsttrator? [02:44]
pharveyapparently
sudo makemeasandwich
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j_wrighti see mklink does symlinks hardlinks and directory junctions [02:45]
gac410poof - you're a PBJ [02:45]
j_wrightguess it would have hurt them to call it ln, heh [02:46]
pharveygit has a terrible logo [02:47]
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SvenDowideitpharvey: didjaupgrade to 2.0 mongodbyet? [07:09]
pharveyin testing [07:09]
SvenDowideitsudo makemyspacekeywork [07:09]
pharveyseems fine so far [07:09]
SvenDowideitsweet [07:09]
pharveybut the 2.0.0-rc237 weren't that far from 2.0.0 proper, so no surprises [07:10]
SvenDowideitthey implemented $and while i wasn't looking [07:10]
pharveythey even fixed the profiler crash [07:10]
SvenDowideitthats like, a week for fartarsing around code that i can now spend a week deleting :/ [07:10]
pharveyyoiks
argh, is our JQueryTabpane no longer 1.4.3 compatible? :(
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SvenDowideitdon't know if the perl driver supports it yet tho
wonnerful
nm, back to self slagulation on store2.0
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pharveypharvey finally got cpan2deb to build MongoDB 0.44 [07:11]
SvenDowideithavn't pulled your changes yet tho [07:11]
pharveyapparently if you use stale ubuntu OS you get stale perl debs [07:11]
SvenDowideitneat
ah, ubuntu
got rid of that a while ago thank goodness
sadly, i now have an osx box here, and that is much worse
they broke vnc in lion, and don't show any interest in fixing it
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pharveySvenDowideit, I even added tests, and updated docs, and everything :P
for Address->attachment
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SvenDowideitthe HW will be perfect for a link tv player when we get home tho
pharvey: sweet
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pharveyI just need to merge your copy feature back into svn trunk
they broke VNC? That's like, one of the top 3 most useful apps that OSX comes with
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SvenDowideitI've got storesmoke and prefs tests working on store2, but storetests itself is slow going [07:13]
pharvey"broke" in that it still talks to macos vnc servers I suppose [07:13]
SvenDowideity, they 'improved it' to remove the ability for any non-apple vnc client to connect
and deprecated / removed all the API's that thrid party vnc servers use
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pharveyall the events are firing twice! aargh!
pharvey doesn't trust livequery :)
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padraig_lennonHi all,
Is there a quick way to empty the Trash web?
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guldmyrhello folks, is there a way to/plugin in a foswiki topic, point to an .xml file (local or remote). And present the xml-data into something more readable in the topic? [07:57]
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padraig_lennonI want to customize the WebIndex topic across all webs. Normally I would just update the Main.WebIndex which should in theory be used instead of the System.WebIndex topic. Am I correct in this? [08:32]
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MichaelDaumpadraig_lennon, nope, unfortunately not.
all WebIndexes INCLUDE the one in the System web ...
so either mess around with System.WebIndex ... or install AutoTemplatePlugin and create a custom WebIndexViewTemplate. it will be used automatically on anything called WebIndex
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padraig_lennonCould this be redesigned simply with something like this? %IF{"topic %USERSWEB%.WebIndex" then="%INCLUDE{"%USERSWEB%.%TOPIC%"}%" else="%INCLUDE{"%SYSTEMWEB%.%TOPIC%"}%"}% And then not ship the topic %USERSWEB%.WebIndex?
Hmm... What do we do for the %USERSWEB% then? Didn't think that through did I?
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pharveypadraig_lennon: we do something similar for WebLeftBar, UserForm [08:58]
padraig_lennonMichaelDaum - System.WebIndex would then be overwritten on upgrade wouldn't it? [08:59]
pharveyIIRC it's IF{"istopic 'Web.Topic'" [08:59]
padraig_lennonpharvey.. My bad.. you're right.. [08:59]
pharveyconvention seems to be that you leave System web alone, and instead put customised versions in % USERSWEB%. [08:59]
padraig_lennonBut the issue is that we ship the Main.WebIndex also.. [09:00]
MichaelDaumpharvey, yes, anything in System is overwritten on upgrade
MichaelDaum being argumenting in favor of view templates on stuff like WebIndex, WebTopicList, UserRegistration, ChangePassword, etc ... instead of using handcrafted wiki apps ... yet again
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padraig_lennonMichaelDaum - How would a view template work e.g. WebIndexViewTemplate you mention above.. If the underlying WebIndex includes the System.WebIndex how would the View template help? Would the contents of the SomeWeb.WebIndex not need to be overwritten somehow? Just curious.. [09:04]
pharveypadraig_lennon: I'm not sure the core upgrades overwrite Main.Web* (but maybe they do?) [09:04]
MichaelDaumpadraig_lennon, view templates manage the way an url is displayed. it not necessarily drags information out of the topic's text area. so the WebIndexViewTemplate simply overrides the "content" tmpl and patches in its own way of displaying a topic index
view templates are the most important way to deploy wiki applications
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pharveyI think view templates are a bit of a blunt instrument for this. I have four colleagues which have had to get involved with skin templates at different times, and teaching how the skin templating system works is... a massive time-sink [09:08]
padraig_lennonpharvey - You are right about the upgrades not shipping the Web*.. That seems the way to go here..
MichaelDaum - I use ViewTemplates in a large number of WikiApps. Basically in the above example you would NOT include the %TEXT% from the underlying topic. Is this correct?
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MichaelDaumpharvey, whats so difficult in %TMPL:INCLUDE{"view"}% %TMPL:DEF{"content"}% hello world %TMPL:END%
see this hello world example... replace hello world with whatever you like rendering a topic index
save it into System.WebIndexViewTemplate; install AutoTemplatePlugin; done
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pharveyyes, I am familiar with how skin templates work. It's the non-trivial applications that are maddening, reverse-engineering where a def is actually coming from is a nightmare [09:10]
padraig_lennonCool.. Thanks Michael/Paul [09:11]
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pharveyAutoTemplate adds yet another dimension to the skin path that the casual wiki hacker must add to their troubleshooting checklist [09:11]
MichaelDaumpharvey, sorry to say bs on this one [09:11]
padraig_lennonDamn.. Can of worms.. Opened.. padraig_lennon runs away :) [09:12]
pharveyYou've never had a user try to edit WebSearch and ask, "wtf is my text"? [09:12]
MichaelDaumpharvey, nope. they don't see an edit button on WebSearch'n friends [09:13]
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MichaelDaumiff they hit edit then the only thing they see is VIEW_TEMPLATE = Applicataions.SomeApp.FooBarView
if at all
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pharveyi.e. magical
I'm not saying it's a terrible solution. I just want something better :-)
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MichaelDaumview templates are one of _the_ best concepts of foswiki and tmwiki ... for ages. can't neglect view templates are you? [09:15]
pharveyof course. I use FooForm/FooViewTemplate a lot. [09:15]
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padraig_lennonMichaelDaum - Interesting.. Do you use Subwebs for WikiApps? i.e Applicataions.SomeApp.FooBarView I have gone along the lines of a Single WikiApps web.. imho ViewTemplates make life SO much easier btw.. Non-Techies freak when they see Wiki Markup... [09:16]
pharveyBut for Web*, topics which users should feel that they own, it requires quite an induction to get going with. [09:16]
MichaelDaumpadraig_lennon, yep. using WikiWorkbenchContrib this is best practice: never to botch net data with wiki application code
having them in separate wiki-app web makes them reusable, deployable, manageable. you wouldn't code your favorite library in to your void main() { } either
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padraig_lennonMust look into WikiWorkbenchContrib - Thanks
http://foswiki.org/Extensions/WikiWorkbenchContrib - Coming soon :(
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pharveypadraig_lennon: it's in svn
Eg. http://svn.foswiki.org/trunk/WikiWorkbenchContrib/
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pharveyMichaelDaum: did we really have to break all existing wiki apps making use of JQueryAjaxHelper ?
not to mention usage of textboxlist...
it even breaks our own TaskItemTemplate on foswiki.org
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MichaelDaumyes. there was no way around this. jquery.autocomplete is deprecated for a year now
textboxlist does work fine
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pharveyI see :( [10:32]
MichaelDaumthe jquery-ui guys do drive me nuts but thats something different [10:32]
pharveyq -> term - what an arbitrary, useless change
so trunk JQueryPlugin is now Foswiki 1.1 incompatible? Or...
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MichaelDaumjquery plugin is consistent in itself ... but breaks some other plugins. some of which are mine.
q-term, yea
the new autocomplete library is pretty different in what it expects from the backend ... a change to the better though
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pharveyokay... but I am dreading re-writing my wiki apps
I mean, it's a simple change
but this upgrade will leave a bitter taste for many users
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MichaelDaumnote that a terms backend now has to produce json ... not bar separated things [10:37]
pharveyI was just reading that part now :} [10:37]
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SvenDowideitpharvey: thanks for the attachment thing - looks like it works exactly as i was hoping [11:58]
pharveykool [11:58]
SvenDowideitvery
course, i have thousands more tests to fix :/
mmm, MichaelDaum have you looked at how people would get to Aachen?
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MichaelDaumno [12:02]
SvenDowideit6 hours by train, and no connections by plane found yet
mmm, ok, i must be lying
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MichaelDaumthats a problem, y.
would be better to meet in a city with at least one airport
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SvenDowideitSvenDowideit giggle at flying zuri->rodes and then rodes->aachen
it has an airport - 2 even, but .. lets see basel->aachen
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pharveySvenDowideit: hopefully all the tests magically start passing as you fill in the blanks :) [12:06]
SvenDowideitaha, makes sense basel->aachen also via rodes
pharvey: i wish :)
but as Foswiki::Meta->new and load and loadVersion() all go away
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FoswikiBothttp://trunk.foswiki.org/System/PerlDoc?module=Foswiki::Meta [ (Foswiki login) PerlDoc ] [12:06]
SvenDowideitsometimes i contemplating just using the unit tests from 1.0, where those also didn't exist [12:07]
MichaelDaumargh http://www.flugplatz-aachen.de/datas/toft1999/nturm1.jpg [12:07]
pharveyWIBNIF bits of tests were version-aware, and so we only had one branch of UnitTestContrib to worry about :)
MichaelDaum: my kind of strip! It's towered and everything! :)
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SvenDowideitpharvey: lalala [12:11]
pharveyMichaelDaum: aerodrome in my home town http://www.cynthiahargraves.com/travel/Planetrip/fullsize/8_Roma_runway1_fs.jpg :P [12:12]
SvenDowideitluxury :)
yesterday at 10 am some local residents where somewhat stressed by a very low flying a380escorted by some swiss mitltaryfighterjets
apparently, it was the 6th!! a380 that lufthansa bought, and they chritened it 'zurich'
clearly a good reason to scare some people, and to get the military some flying practice
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pharveyhehe [12:17]
Wow, Roma aerodrome is in the middle of an $11 million upgrade, they have wifi at the terminal now? Check-in counter... departure lounge [12:25]
SvenDowideiti think youre thinking rome italy :p
or roma street, brisbane >snigger<
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pharveyback in my day, it was just a shed with a coke machine in it :P [12:27]
SvenDowideitso was brisbane airport
though they did have a bit of a chainlink fence near the carpark
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pharveyRoma shifts an extreme number people since I left, thousands per week
apparently people like oil & gas
pharvey wonders why jqtab is being a pain
MichaelDaum: is livequery hanging around for jquery-1.6?
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MichaelDaum?
dont understand your q
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pharveysorry: we still need it? It's still relevant ? [12:37]
MichaelDaumof course [12:37]
pharveyI'm trying to debug a problem where jqtabpane events are firing twice all the time [12:37]
MichaelDaumlive() != livequery() if that is what you mean [12:37]
pharveyyeah, I was just trying to do a quick google of livequery project, didn't seem very active
anyway, it's 1.6 ready
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MichaelDaumlive() ~ bind(), whereas livequery() ~ each() [12:38]
pharvey? [12:38]
MichaelDaumlive is to livequery what livequery is to each
argh
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pharveyjust wondering if it likes 1.6 [12:39]
MichaelDaumlive is to bind what livequery is to each
worx fine here
the only thing that I encountered with 1.6.4 is problems with simplemodals made draggable ...
... which is a good indication to replace simplemodal with ui::dialog anyway
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pharveyso you have no problems with jqtabpane after events firing improperly? [12:41]
MichaelDaumno problems with tabpanes, no.
neither twisties
although somebody reported problems with jquery-1.5 .... not anymore
these work fine as far as I can say
now using these day2day
on almost every topic
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MichaelDaumBabar, are you working at CERN?
anybody able to speak for/with them?
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SvenDowideithe has previously indicated that he can organise something, but needs a firm date first [13:34]
MichaelDaumokay. I will talk to him for more info.
... and we should have 1.1.4 out by that time
a three-in-one press release: ga, happy birthday, release
foswiki camp makes four
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SvenDowideitoh f.
pharvey: it looks like F::A->new(string=>'_default') doesn't dwim
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pharveyexist hinting is not enabled by default. Dunno about perf impact [14:02]
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SvenDowideitshould I be allowed to exped that F::A->new(string=>'_default') == F::A->new(web=>'_default') [14:02]
pharveythe 'explicit' form is string => '_default/'
then it knows it's a web
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SvenDowideitmmm, awkward
i see what you mean tho
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pharveyI guess if there's no context supplied, it can only be a web [14:03]
SvenDowideitsadly, no
stepping out of the code where i am atm, string=>'WebHome' has a pretty specific meaning
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pharveyjust get used to writing a trailing slash if you want a web resource :) [14:04]
SvenDowideitstring=>'Main' might be a bit more dangerous
not bloody likely
imo slash is the shittiest crap invention we have
and i will contine to use only dots
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pharveythen F::A has no way to know what you mean, without exploring via exist hinting [14:05]
SvenDowideitbut the code i need atm, knows the string isa web, so i can make it web=>
pharvey: yup, agreed
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pharveySvenDowideit: you can always ->new(string => '_default', isA => 'web') [14:06]
SvenDowideiti have coded an expectation in Foswiki::Store that F::A is more magical than you rightly point out [14:06]
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SvenDowideiti hope that web=>'_default' is faster [14:06]
pharveyof course
but it can't read your mind
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SvenDowideitas its also more readerable :)
yup, ak'ed - i somehow thought it should read my mind, but then as you explained it, i changed my mind
its a bit messy swapping them in and out of the jars of alkymahole
but meh
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pharveyhehe
tho, a resource path with no path delimeters, and no default context to check against, could only be a root web
I should probably code that case in somewhere
or did I decided not to for some reason
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SvenDowideityes, root is a pain, and i'm not totally sure about it
12 out of 19 StoreTests
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pharveyw00t [14:10]
SvenDowideitprogress, while pulling fingernails [14:10]
pharveypharvey pretending to have a plan for a demo tomorrow
pharvey seriously pondering bringing up a google refine plugin to ease data migration in & out of Foswiki :)
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SvenDowideiteasy - get your animation team to mock up some wireframes of the 3d environment that you'd implement if they gave you finding
2) profit
yes, i was looking at a refine plugin and an r plugin a few months ago
but then i had to orgnise leaving the country :)
now i'm pondering refine as some kind of store module
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pharveyreally? Did it look maddening? Paul.A uses refine for cleaning up creative-spelling, splitting columns [14:12]
SvenDowideitand similarly a ZipStore
for backup/restore :)
and GiftWrapStore
for Babar
i didn't look hard enough to think maddening
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pharveyyou can even bash out bits of python and refine semi-realtime reports the result of the code snippet (to apply to every cell/row) [14:13]
SvenDowideitSvenDowideit ponders generating python code directly from store/search :}
and then does go mad
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pharveybut, for deeper text mining, we're still perling
pharvey wonders if anybody has read about or tried to use F::A's isA, existAs, catchAs
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SvenDowideitonly one of...
my $type = $args{address}->type();
which is central to the Store's passing to the legacyimpl where web/topic and attachment are totally different
where type() == isA mumble
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pharveyI'm missing the common train of thought/message across your last three lines [14:17]
LynnwoodIs there anywhere that the javascript functions available form the various foswiki javascript files are documented? I'm referring to the functions such as creating WikiWords, etc. [14:18]
pharveypharvey curses jqgrid
Lynnwood: for wikiwords, checkout Foswiki:System.JQueryWikiWord
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FoswikiBothttp://foswiki.org/System.JQueryWikiWord [ JQueryWikiWord ] [14:19]
SvenDowideitf::a->isA is a weird thing that uses isValid [14:19]
Lynnwoodpharvey - thanks! [14:19]
SvenDowideitand f::a->type() is isA [14:19]
Lynnwoodthat would be what i'm looking for. [14:19]
SvenDowideitor something weird like that [14:19]
pharveyisA depends on isValid to walk the properties and decide "whoami"
er, whatami
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SvenDowideitand then i go read the other docco
and see you mean the params to new() not the isA() fiunc
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pharveyworried that my doc is so crap you have to read the code :) [14:21]
SvenDowideiti think that isA() should probly be the thing that decides 'whatami'
whereas isValid should be using that to ensure that whatami is a valid what
but thats just one weirdo
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pharveywell, we can fix the implementation [14:22]
joelioAny tips on migrating themes/css from an *ancient* version of twiki (2003ish) to foswiki.. I've migrated content but there's a plethora of broken CSS and the like. [14:22]
pharveybut for now I hope that where the valid/whatami code lives shouldn't matter too much [14:23]
SvenDowideitI would start again [14:23]
pharvey(as for sorting out the interface) [14:23]
SvenDowideitthough if there's css classes in the topic text, it'd be good to mine thatm
it only matters because i do read the code :) but the more i use it, the less i'm reading the code, so yup
i was also thrown because there are public methods hidden after a large private method section, but again, thats a first time issue
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pharveyah, yeah the _atomise thing :(
pharvey wonders if atomise is a real spelling
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SvenDowideitSvenDowideit undistracts pharvey :) [14:26]
pharveybarely a million hits, delete it! [14:26]
SvenDowideitmmm, and there's an unexpected search engine hit on my name
http://www.howstuffworks.com/spotted-pleco.htm
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pharveymust be nice to use one of those environments that writes all the client-side things for you
SvenDowideit, who is distracted no?
now*
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SvenDowideiti have to go pick up the girls in like 20mins, so
oh, good point :)
i'm still bothered by (and bemused by) the fact that i'm not correctly initialising the meta _indicies hash, and yet things still seem to work
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pharveyI'm sorry sir, this hash needs to be amputated [14:35]
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SvenDowideitroight you are
i'll do that after this, that, the other thing and oh :p
though yes, i hope it will happen in 2.0
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SvenDowideitmmm, time to go - see you all next week possibly [14:36]
pharveyau revoir [14:36]
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webiohello. there is any plugin for FOSWIKI for sales pipeline tracker (CRM) like this Twiki Application
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haGoCcqMqWc&NR=1
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ArthurClemenswebio: looks like a data form app that can be built without any plugin [16:28]
webiocan you tell me how i can do this from scratch on FW? [16:29]
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ArthurClemensnot this typical app. but in general you start with a data form. See http://foswiki.org/System/FAQAnApplicationWithWikiForm
but you can also look at that twiki app. I assume it is open source and viewable
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webioit's not
is it possible to use twiki apps on FW instance?
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ArthurClemensyes. data forms work the same. and twiki plugins can be used with TWikiCompatibilityPlugin, which is provided by default [16:36]
packoman_hey. is there a simple way to place two picture side by side using the WYSIWYG editor? [16:37]
ArthurClemenspackoman_: I guess using a table. But you can also add some html: assign class 'foswikiLeft' to both images and create a new div with class foswikiClear. [16:40]
packoman_um. I have no idea what that means :)
well more or less yes but but whats foswikiLeft and foswikiClear
but table works perfectly and since I need it to be quick and (not necesseraly) dirty
that's perfect
thanks!
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foswiki_irc8hi, anybody out there? [19:02]
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gac410foswiki_irc8: What is your question? [19:15]
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foswiki_irc9I have a question [19:46]
gac410yes? [19:46]
foswiki_irc9I would like to install Foswiki
but I do not really know anything about web site
do you know somebody that can do that in germany?
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gac410You could try the Foswiki:Support/WikiConsultants page - there are contacts there in Germany. [19:50]
FoswikiBothttp://foswiki.org/Support/WikiConsultants [ WikiConsultants ] [19:50]
foswiki_irc9thanks! [19:51]
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