#foswiki 2012-02-19,Sun

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GithubBot[foswiki] foswiki pushed 2 new commits to Release01x01: http://git.io/CFENTg
[foswiki/Release01x01] Item11532: Add link to StandardColors - GeorgeClark
[foswiki/Release01x01] Item11383: Fix the color search - sync from trunk. - GeorgeClark
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FoswikiBothttp://foswiki.org/Tasks/Item11532 [ Item11532: Add link to StandardColors to web creation form ]
http://foswiki.org/Tasks/Item11383 [ Item11383: General documentation task for 1.1.5 release ]
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GithubBot[foswiki] foswiki pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/rMTJfA
[foswiki/master] Item11532: Add link to StandardColors - GeorgeClark
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GithubBot[foswiki] foswiki pushed 2 new commits to Release01x01: http://git.io/1axS_Q
[foswiki/Release01x01] Item11383: Item11445 topic template example fails - GeorgeClark
[foswiki/Release01x01] Item11445: Sync over SANDBOXWEB from trunk - GeorgeClark
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FoswikiBothttp://foswiki.org/Tasks/Item11383 [ Item11383: General documentation task for 1.1.5 release ] http://foswiki.org/Tasks/Item11445 [ Item11445: SANDBOXWEB macro is undefined. ] [04:47]
flexibeast1Hm.
A significant blocker for my org's use of Foswiki to the extent i'd like it :-) is that MS Word provides a nice UI for commenting and tracking who made what changes where.
(i.e. showing in a document who added a particular sentence).
i've had a look through available extensions, but i can't see anything along these lines - am i missing something?
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gac410The only thing I know of is the default CompareRevisionsAddOn that ships with Foswiki, and the core rdiff script. [04:55]
flexibeast1Hm, okay, thanks.
That has already been found to be insufficient by the person i report to.
i'm wondering if i can create something with CommentPlugin + JavaScript to allow inline comments; but the "show who did what" issue is a bigger one.
i'm really hoping it's not going to turn out to be a showstopper, though, given how suitable i think Foswiki is for our use-case(s) more generally.
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gac410Nothing I'm aware of for inline comments or annotations. But it's probably not a good time to be asking - Might get better answers during Europe work hours. [05:00]
flexibeast1Yes, true. :-) Thanks! [05:00]
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pharveyflexibeast1: I think DavidPatterson was working to make something that might be capable of such annotations, using ObjectPlugin/HiJaxPlugin
flexibeast1: I hope you can work with Foswiki, however, FWIW X-Wiki has a very good annotation feature which works pretty much as you describe.
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flexibeast1pharvey: Well, i personally am pretty much committed to Foswiki at this point .... My personal feeling is that the benefits of Foswiki vastly outweigh the possible cost of me having to develop certain desired functionality.
If my org rejects it for org-wide use - which i'm going to work hard to try to avoid happening! - i still want it used within my team.
pharvey: But maybe the X-Wiki implementation can serve as a guide for an annotations plugin, if DavidPatterson's plugin is a no-go for whatever reason.
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pharveyyep. [05:51]
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flexibeast1Argh. Why can't i get this flowchart to work? It's creating a single linear path through all items, rather than creating branches. [07:58]
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So does anyone else here use the FlowchartPlugin? Can't work out whether i'm simply not doing something i should be, or whether i'm encountering an actual bug. [08:39]
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pharveywhy is everything so web-tastic
pharvey dealing with selenium's new webdriver API
I say "new", it's not.
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GithubBot[foswiki] foswiki pushed 1 new commit to Release01x01: http://git.io/fGTNXQ
[foswiki/Release01x01] Item11383: {ScriptUrlPaths}{view} isn't an expert setting anymore. - MichaelTempest
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GithubBot[foswiki] foswiki pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/j2BgVA
[foswiki/master] Item11383: {ScriptUrlPaths}{view} isn't an expert setting anymore. - MichaelTempest
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CDotpharvey: Because no-one can think of anything more exciting to do? [10:33]
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flexibeast1So the patch attached to the relevant bug report for FlowchartPlugin works; but only when one is very careful with vertical whitespace. [11:00]
i've added a note to this effect on the relevant bug report, http://foswiki.org/Tasks/Item9046 [11:06]
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pharveySvenDowideit: strawberry perl doesn't seem hardcore enough, Eg. I find myself wanting to build apache2 so I can get apr, Image::Magick won't work... what's the best way forward? [11:29]
SvenDowideitpharvey, i'm going to bed :p
but.
if you don't think its hardcore enough, then you're doing it wrong
why build apache?
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pharveywell, put another way... it doesn't work [11:33]
SvenDowideit_what- doesn't work? [11:33]
mtempestSystem.WikiReferences links to www.wiki-tools.de which is no longer a good link. I figure I should just remove the link. [11:33]
pharveyneed apr for SVN::Client & mod_perl [11:33]
SvenDowideitand thats a problem for apache? [11:33]
pharveyno, it's a problem for SVN::Client & friends [11:34]
SvenDowideitSvenDowideit says, yes, if you're going to use mod_perl, then iirc strawberry perl says that you can go run comething else
i think i had to get _that_ client to use AS
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pharveyouch [11:35]
SvenDowideitiirc, mod_perl was/is considered dead
SvenDowideit mumbles plack
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pharveywell, we still use it for WebDAV
not that I'm configuring WebDAVContrib in this instance, but I am just trying to understand how most people expect to run foswiki on windows
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SvenDowideitoh, thats a different q from what you're asking
and from my experience, most use cgi
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pharveyyeah, it is... pseudo-install (thanks to me) wants to use SVN::Client to talk to our svn repo [11:37]
SvenDowideitand i can't think of many tath use an svn checkout
i sure don't
CDot, probly does tho
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CDotSvenDowideit: depends what mood I'm in.
CDot uses both git and svn
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SvenDowideiti only use svn to uplaod extensions to f.o
and taht took me >4 hr's to do the other day
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pharveyCDot: are you using a windows vista/2008? [11:39]
SvenDowideitso i'm pretty close to kicking that too [11:39]
CDotCDot wants feedback on <hoff1> </hoff2> and the thought of doing <toc> [11:39]
SvenDowideiti've been away [11:40]
CDotpharvey: nope; my only windows box is on XP home [11:40]
SvenDowideitthe girls were baptised today, and the rest of the day was a family thing
imo explicit ++ and -- on headings is stupid
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pharveyd'oh. I'm working on pseudo-install doing symlinks on later windoze that can do it.
Sadly XP isn't one of the ones that can do it.
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SvenDowideitye it is [11:40]
pharveyit can do junction points, which isn't the same [11:41]
SvenDowideitnt4.0 has links already
but its fun c code based
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pharveyno, junction points are not symlinks. Frankly the last time I tried to understand them, it sounded frightening, and certainly I recall there weren't any cmdline tools shipped with winders that let you use them (not in XP anyway) [11:42]
SvenDowideitcorrect, there is not cmd line tool
but they are there, and they are very useful :)
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pharveyvista/2008+ has a 'mklink' command [11:42]
SvenDowideitbeen there, coded a couple of things deployed on nt4&xp that used them [11:42]
CDotSvenDowideit: thank you for your support :-) Stupid in what way? [11:42]
pharveywhich is like ln -s but with dst/src reversed. [11:42]
SvenDowideitCDot, 99% of use for heading adjustment is to remove jumps
so why would we not work out what the headings are, and auto-justify them
ok, by 99, i mean some >50% amount
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CDotCDot thinks that's bollocks. 99% of heading adjustment is for collation/composition of content [11:44]
pharveyCDot: I like the idea of non-macros to do what you're doing, I'm struggling to think of a nicer tagname than hoffN though (and I think it needs to be nicer). [11:44]
CDotCDot chose hoff in honour of David Hasselhoff [11:44]
SvenDowideitlots of adjustments i've see were to bring together 6 pages where some burk was using ---+++ as the top level because ---+ was 'too big' [11:45]
pharvey---+ probably *is* too big :P [11:45]
CDotSvenDowideit: yup. I have another example, though; a copy-paste of externally sourced HTML into a set of wiki pages, then composuited into various *different* documents [11:45]
pharveypharvey somehow associated <hoffN> with Mr Huffman, (encoding) ;-) [11:46]
CDotpharvey: that's cos you aren't German
David Hasselhoff is the greatest German the USA ever produced
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SvenDowideitif you're talking about <baseh 2> - i hates it, but i've not thought it through at all
if you're talking about headingoffset="2"
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CDot<hoff2>....</hoff2> atcherly
also used to implement headingoffset="2"
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SvenDowideiti look at http://foswiki.org/Development/AddAWayToShiftHeadingLevels
and you talk about <baseh 2>
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CDotCDot ended up with <hoff2>
and </hoff2> which you would be right to hate
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SvenDowideiti don't know what h-off-2 means [11:48]
pharveyhaha! legacy cmd.exe has mklink, but the modern powershell doesn't. [11:48]
SvenDowideitsurely you mean h-off-disabled- [11:48]
CDotyou don't need to. Most peeps will use headingoffset [11:48]
SvenDowideitwhat I want, is headdingoffset=auto [11:49]
CDotoh, right. What does that do? [11:49]
SvenDowideitwhere 'auto' would have to be several things
ie, one auto-something would make all the imported headings the same level
so that I could INCLUDE 6 sections and have them all come into the new doc as h3
another auto- would +1 compared to the previous
i realise i'm being vague - i'm exhausted and shoulda been in bed hours ago
imo we should not actually give the user the h-level they ask for, but output it all relative
so if the first h in a doc is ---+++
it would still be h1
and everything else is rendered relative
that way we get more reasonable html sematics
and that then feeds into what happens on transclusions
and um, this proposal is not just for INCLUDE
its for anything that imports tml - SEARCH, QUERY, um...
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CDotgo to bed. You'll make more sense in the morning :-) [11:54]
SvenDowideitha, i doubt it :p
but see you all tmorrorrrw
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CDotsleep well [11:54]
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pharveyFoswiki is supermassively slow on windows :/ [12:40]
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jesksomeone knowing some webpages using foswiki in non standard layout?
want to see some stuff to get impression whats possible in terms of layout and other cool looking/behaving things :-)
i run foswiki in our team now, but pretty default looking without any special things. people just create page and paste some content for all kind of things. it's used as kind of notepad, nothing more.
of course with some links going crossover
maybe i could try to use foswiki as framework for creating webpages, but not sure if it's the right tool for these things.
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ArthurClemensjesk: see foswiki.org/About/ExampleSites [20:37]
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pharveySvenDowideit, have you ever stared at NYTProf output dancing around SEARCH's format code and thought WTF is perl doing?
I guess having 120 $formfield()... statements in the format string doesn't help
using $percntQUERY{style=\"json\" I can get 1280 species * 120 character fields out in ~15s
but the $formfield approach takes minutes. I'm doing everything wrong.
pharvey trying rescue something for Temi
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SvenDowideitpharvey, nope
i seem to enjoy that kind of code :)
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pharveyNYTProf shows most of the time spent in a seemingly innocent conditional
so I can only assume that's a lie
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SvenDowideitfun :/
don't forget i worked to make it a tad more obfuscated by using more dispatch tables :)
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pharveynah, those are fine [23:26]
SvenDowideitreally should re-write format= to invert it [23:26]
pharveyyeah, I have some ideas :)
just need a 17 holidays to implement them
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SvenDowideitcompile format= string into perl code that uses $meta->{attr}
but then we're in the frustrating place where we have half a dozen parsers and code generators
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pharveyindeed [23:27]
SvenDowideitthen of course, you make the compiler pluggable so that you can generate the js
and throw it to mongo ..
shit.
yet another feat req
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pharveyI don't think it needs to go that far. In this case I think there's much lower hanging fruit. [23:28]
SvenDowideitthere often is, but doing thse regularly results in code that is later much harder to invert the processing on
SvenDowideit is not a fan of the results of low hanging fruit
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pharveywell, I'd be happy with the arch you're talking about, but I suspect the non-mongo compiler would make us 70% happy. [23:30]
SvenDowideityes, it would , and pluggable is 4 extra lines of code [23:30]
pharveypluggable $tokens for a SolrSEARCHPlugin would be nice :}
pharvey throws more wishes on the bonfire
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SvenDowideitwe already have pluggable tokens
just missing the adddToken( func
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pharveySEARCH doesn't use them? [23:31]
SvenDowideitit does [23:31]
pharvey$out =~ s/\$parent/$item->getParent()/ges;
these are all over the place
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SvenDowideitlook for the other bit
there's a dispatch table in there too
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pharveyI know, I saw [23:32]
SvenDowideitbut i didn't manage to extract everything [23:32]
pharveyI assume you ran out of steam
ok
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SvenDowideitso tokens can be plugged in using that
y - mostly need more unit tests
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pharveyright, that's what I did in TopicRecrusePlugin too.
re-cruise? Haha.
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SvenDowideitpharvey, i'm contemplating bidding on an x3850
but i'm still worried about noise
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GithubBot[foswiki] foswiki pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/VRSOsA
[foswiki/master] Item10659: keep tweaking link checker to remove false reports - SvenDowideit
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FoswikiBothttp://foswiki.org/Tasks/Item10659 [ Item10659: ImportExportPlugin ] [23:46]
SvenDowideitmmm, that server really isn't well
7.0 load avg... and top tells me its doing nothing and has little memory in use
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pharveyrootkitz! [23:57]

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