#foswiki 2012-03-20,Tue

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kip3fHI pharvey I created a feature proposal http://foswiki.org/Development/SectionalTransforms I hope that I didn't stir up a hornets nest [00:13]
gac410kip3f Might want to move KipLublinerSectionalTransform out of Main and either into your development propopsal or Sandbox. We try (somewhat) to keep main just for user registrations. [00:14]
kip3fOK I will delete it
I already moved the content into the proposal
[00:15]
gac410okay. Just remembered seeing it float by in the change notices. [00:15]
kip3fwhat do you think about having both 'wrap' and 'transform'? [00:19]
gac410I need to go back and review it all again and give it some thought.
(trying to clean up Main web from all the spam registrations over the last weeks)
[00:20]
pharveykip3f: cool, I like to avoid re-re-re-hashing conversations, so I'm glad you captured what we discussed (I think)
I say that even though I'm the worst offender of re-re-re-discussing things ... usually because I write a novel and then SvenDowideit & CDot get bored after the first two sentences :P
[00:29]
kip3fWell Sven did have a good idea there for generalizing the proposal, lets see what happens next [00:32]
gac410Yikes. Bug in AWSPI. Remove user ... instead of removing the entered user, removed my own topic. [00:32]
..... (idle for 23mn)
SvenDowideithttp://foswiki.org/Development/ConfigurableCookieNamesAndPaths
mmm, is this why the https sessions keep getting un-logged-in?
pharvey, ?
[00:55]
pharveySvenDowideit: yes. The SID cookie gets obliterated whenever you go back to http. [00:56]
SvenDowideiti'm not sure that they are going back to http, but argh
so this is fixed in 1.1.5?
[00:56]
pharveyWell, I have code for it, but it's not committed [00:57]
SvenDowideitor this is acceped and proposed by pharvey and lost in the maelstrom of reality? [00:57]
pharveyIt's accepted and it's on my this-financial-year TODO list... for what it's worth [00:57]
SvenDowideitthough, i was noticing it when the site was https only too - using lots of redirects if someone asked the wrong question [00:57]
pharveyer, in other words: it's not implemented [00:57]
SvenDowideitok, can you toss the code you have in a patch on the topic? [00:58]
pharveyin our case, this also happens if somebody linked to a viewfile resource using a hard-coded http URL [00:58]
SvenDowideitSvenDowideit is sick as shit, but these guys went live last night [00:58]
pharveyok, let me see [00:58]
SvenDowideitta [00:58]
pharveyoh wow. Apparently I'm using a vanilla core in production
pharvey wonders if that was a mistake
oh, wrong directory
oh, SvenDowideit - I already attached the patch. http://foswiki.org/pub/Tasks/Item1636/Item1636.diff - but this doesnt' do everything the proposal wanted
[00:59]
SvenDowideitk [01:01]
foswiki_irc0hei guys
anybody at this hour online?
[01:01]
pharveyonly the crazies [01:02]
AlexisHazellmarian_banica: Midday? Sure. :-) [01:02]
marian_banicaa... ok here is midnight :)
i need some help to install Foswiki (as always i can say)
[01:02]
AlexisHazellpharvey: You're still correct, however. ;-)
marian_banica: What's the problem?
[01:02]
marian_banicai want to know how to configure the access rights for Foswiki on linux
i mean i have a shared host
[01:03]
pharveyI have to run, but we made a little gateway topic at http://foswiki.org/Support/SharedHosting a few days ago [01:04]
marian_banicaswwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwweat :D
if you come in Romania you have a beer from me :P
[01:04]
AlexisHazellSo, my next unit test issue is:
"WARNING: NatEditPlugin has no module defined, it might not load!
"Guessed it to Foswiki::Plugins::NatEditPlugin"
[01:06]
FoswikiBothttp://trunk.foswiki.org/System/PerlDoc?module=Foswiki::Plugins::NatEditPlugin [01:07]
gac410Yeah - someone messed up adding NatEditPlugin to core.
(spelled CDot)
[01:07]
AlexisHazellOh okay, so it's not me having done something silly for a change. :-) [01:08]
gac410You can add the module defn to your LocalSite.cfg to avoid the warnings. [01:08]
AlexisHazellgac410: Okay, thanks.
Unrelated: There's some issue with CGI on lighttpd, isn't there?
[01:11]
gac410Don't know [01:12]
marian_banicagac can you tell me what i have to do for this domain to start the installation? (i will send you on private the domain you can answer to me here) [01:15]
GithubBot[foswiki] foswiki pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/nf4j0Q
[foswiki/master] Item11646: Don't remove current user - GeorgeClark
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FoswikiBothttp://foswiki.org/Tasks/Item11646 [ Item11646: Add a way to remove spam users in AntiWikiSpamPlugin ] [01:16]
AlexisHazellgac410: So i just need to add an {Enabled} and {Module} line for NatEditPlugin to LocalSite.cfg? [01:29]
gac410y [01:30]
AlexisHazellThanks. [01:30]
GithubBot[foswiki] foswiki pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/V-7CfA
[foswiki/master] Item11646: update release - GeorgeClark
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gac410marian_banica: Sorry - I missed your message I'm not really familiar with hosted sites, so not sure what you are askiing [01:38]
marian_banicaok
basically i have all the time the same problem
but all the time is different solution depending on shared host :(
[01:39]
gac410what exactly is the issue? [01:40]
marian_banicai can't start the installer
i think is because of user rights
:(
[01:43]
gac410you mean bin/configure [01:43]
kip3fmarian_banica - I have setup foswiki on a shared host, can you please let us know exactly what problem you are having [01:44]
marian_banicapanda.webio.ro
this is my instance
[01:45]
kip3fWhen I visit http://panda.webio.ro/bin/configure, I see the perl script
so it means that the web server is returning the file instead of running
[01:46]
gac410yeah. it shows the perl source. Have you tailored the bin-htaccess file? [01:46]
kip3fit [01:46]
marian_banicai am sure that i have to setup some rights
for files
but no idea which ones
[01:47]
gac410If the script is just displayed then it's most likely the .htaccess (or apache configuration) [01:48]
kip3fSee http://panda.webio.ro/INSTALL.html#Configure_the_web_server - look at the "If you are using a .htaccess file" section
did you follow those instructions?
[01:48]
marian_banicayap
i think the problem is that i unpack files on a windows machine and i am packing again :D
[01:50]
gac410I really think it's the .htaccess file in the bin directory
If the other files were corrupted or otherwise damaged by windows unpack, it wouldn't show the source, it would just fail with some internal error.
[01:51]
kip3fyes there is no .htaccess file in bin
http://panda.webio.ro/bin/
serves the directory listing
no .htaccess is there at all
[01:51]
gac410You need to copy the bin-htaccess.txt from root into bin/.htaccess and carefully follow the embedded tailoring instructions. [01:52]
SvenDowideitok gac410 [01:53]
marian_banicaok [01:53]
gac410yes... [01:53]
marian_banicai got it :d [01:53]
SvenDowideiti'm I have 2 or 3 things i definitly need to get into 1.1.5 [01:53]
marian_banica1.1.5 is available ? [01:53]
gac41024 hours and counting for the first RC [01:54]
SvenDowideiti have 30 hours tile rc1?
ok, 24, roger
[01:54]
marian_banica1.1.5 RC? [01:54]
SvenDowideiti'll work to that timeline and panic when i get to 4hr's left :) [01:54]
marian_banicaOMG :D [01:54]
gac410well how about 22. it's already 10pm here. [01:54]
SvenDowideitgac410, roger that
so planned for 10am tomorrow my time
[01:54]
marian_banicathere are big improvments? [01:54]
SvenDowideitheaps :) [01:54]
marian_banicawhere i can see the differences? [01:54]
SvenDowideitscads of bugs fixes [01:54]
marian_banicalet me be surprised :d
CONGRATS :D
[01:55]
gac410already running on Foswiki.org See Foswiki:System.ReleaseNotes01x01 [01:55]
FoswikiBothttp://foswiki.org/System.ReleaseNotes01x01 [ ReleaseNotes01x01 ] [01:55]
SvenDowideit:) most of the congrats goto gac410
he' doing the heavy lifting
and the inspiring that is getting others to add more
[01:55]
gac410nay ... I'm just cracking the whips. You all are doing the serious heavy stuff.
:D
[01:55]
SvenDowideiti see no heavy stuff :) [01:56]
kip3fI better check in that updated PublishedAPI.txt [01:56]
SvenDowideity - kip3f you could definitly make it bluntly clear
that login/mapper/store api's are not plugin author api's
they're serious expert dev api's
[01:56]
marian_banicathen i have to finish my work for romanian language
:D
[01:57]
SvenDowideit(ignore if you have, i last read the topic we, 30 hours ago) [01:57]
kip3fSven - do you think this is clear enough http://foswiki.org/Development/AddPackageNavigationToPerlDoc
I added a "Used For" column and it's set to "INtegration" for those things
[01:57]
gac410marian_banica: whatever you've done on translate.f.o has been added to 1.1.5 [01:58]
kip3fI think it's pretty clear [01:58]
SvenDowideitkip3f, i see nothing telling people that the last 4 are non-plugin author api's
it reads to me as though a plugin author should look in there for stuff they might like to use
which isn't really the case
[01:58]
kip3fOK I will add a comment at the top of the page [01:59]
SvenDowideiti was actually wondering
it it might be simpler to use 2 tables
one for plugin author API's
and one for er, deeper customisation
[01:59]
pharveypharvey wonders if he will ever get 8 hours contiguous sleep again [02:00]
SvenDowideitpharvey, no [02:00]
kip3fsure, but then the columns won't line up [02:00]
SvenDowideitkip3f, eeer, eeek? :p [02:00]
pharveyI have now exceeded my daily coffee quota, and it's only 13:00 [02:00]
SvenDowideitthe col's look rubbish on my 1024px wide screen
pharvey, thats part of our problem
sleep and waking is actually easier if we get off coffee
but, life would also suck
[02:00]
gac410Just don't get too fancy with last minute changes. It's the last minute "oh this won't hurt" fixes that leave us scrambling [02:01]
SvenDowideitSvenDowideit quivvers [02:01]
pharveylies! But yes, I feel better if I only have the one coffee in the morning. [02:01]
SvenDowideitgac410, pharvey i want to commit the cookie fix for 1.1.5
just the one that uses different cookies for https and http
does that cause fear?
[02:01]
gac410Fixed a lovely bug in AntiWikiSpamPlugin ... If you ask it to remove a user that is not known to the mapper, it removes your own topic. So there! :P [02:02]
SvenDowideithehe, revenge! [02:02]
kip3fwow that's a good one [02:02]
SvenDowideitbloody admins [02:02]
pharveyif it makes George feel any better, I've been running that patch since Tue Jun 21 23:41:58 2011 +1000 [02:02]
kip3fa spiteful plugin [02:02]
SvenDowideitpharvey, excellent - that makes _me_ feel better too
as i just applied it to a live site
[02:03]
gac410My only question on that fix ... does it "break" all the existing sessions for a site that upgrades. [02:03]
SvenDowideitno and ish :) [02:03]
gac410I think that was my concern last time we talked pharvey. [02:03]
SvenDowideitthe symptom that we were getting onsite
is that their auth would last one request only
[02:03]
gac410If the cookie name changes then existing sessions are kafluie [02:04]
pharveygac410: yes, that's true. [02:04]
SvenDowideitbecause the cookie was getting blasted by a hidden http url in some css [02:04]
pharveySvenDowideit: also I've only really been using ApacehLogin, not Template [02:04]
SvenDowideithere its tmpl login
and a stack of redirects
as its a mixed, mostly https setup
[02:04]
gac410we just have to CLEARLY document that upgraders will need all users to re-login ... because the cookie name changes for existing sessions. [02:05]
SvenDowideitso they basically lost their auth every request [02:05]
gac410Or make it opitional [02:05]
SvenDowideitbecause re-logging on after an upgrade is bad?
i wonder if there's some bathwater there
[02:05]
pharveycookie name should definitely be configurable. But the hour is a bit too late for 1.1.5 for that, I think. [02:06]
SvenDowideitgiven that upgrading means locking people out a little [02:06]
gac410Just principle of least surprise. What I said was DOCUMENT that upgrade will require login. [02:06]
SvenDowideitgac410, ok, roger
SvenDowideit mumbles about inability to read, write or think
[02:06]
gac410pharvey .. Y. I started to look at doint that one, and decided it was too big for 1.1.5 as it's really a feature. [02:07]
SvenDowideityup
there is a feat req tho
oli made one ages ago
[02:07]
gac410yup, As I said started to dig into it [02:08]
SvenDowideitso 1.2.0 :)
no stress, that means i'm now slightly mor econfident of the patch :)
so the only remaining pain for this upgraded site
[02:08]
kip3fSven how does this look with 1024 pixels http://foswiki.org/Development/AddPackageNavigationToPerlDoc [02:09]
SvenDowideitis that wysiwyg is new to them [02:09]
kip3fand is the warning dire enough [02:09]
SvenDowideitso they don't know that adding css/html/js in wysiwyg kills things through excaping [02:09]
pharveySvenDowideit, are you running 1.1.4 wysiwyg? or the new one(s)?
you/they
[02:09]
SvenDowideitand that their carefull crafted in topic html/css,js dies
pharvey, all 1.1.4
[02:10]
pharveyd'oh. [02:10]
gac410Hm. Now what did I do. AWSPI remove function is toast. [02:10]
SvenDowideiti deploy released versions only
plus add little patches
thats why i've been fixing things in 1.1.5 :)
pharvey, what will 1.1.5 do diferently with unprotected html/js/css?
[02:10]
pharveynothing (I was just wondering if they were being guinea pigs or not :)
although to be fair I haven't tested, maybe TMCE is smarter about that, but I don't recall seeing that in their changelogs
[02:11]
SvenDowideitif i worked there full time, then i'd contemplate testing [02:12]
pharveyI seem to recall there's a way to blacklist some tags, hmmm WysiwygPlugin [02:12]
SvenDowideitbut as it is, i'm getting feedback via a relay funnel, so
y, i added some for script & style in 1.1.5 :)
cos the blacklist is pre-defined, and does not allow users to add their own text
[02:12]
pharveyoh [02:13]
SvenDowideity, thats what i said when i needed it [02:13]
pharveyk
pharvey curious to see learn of their reactions to it... there is ... room for improvement :}
the biggest change with the 1.1.5 WysiwygPlugin is that we finally have MTempest's patch to preserve newlines in macro expressions
oh, and of course CDot's implementation of http://foswiki.org/Development/SupportBlockquoteAndIndenting
but that's disabling itself on 1.1.x
pharvey realizes he needs to make sure CDot disabled it "gracefully"...
Surely he did. He knows what he's doing :)
[02:13]
SvenDowideitSvenDowideit runs [02:16]
pharveyand, you see! Another proposal that I wrote, and never coded, but got implemented anyway! [02:16]
GithubBot[foswiki] foswiki pushed 1 new commit to Release01x01: http://git.io/PXDj4A
[foswiki/Release01x01] Item11437: update system topic - KipLubliner
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FoswikiBothttp://foswiki.org/Tasks/Item11437 [ Item11437: Add package navigation to Perl Doc ] [02:17]
pharveyIs it just me or do we have more IRC users in this TZ these days? [02:17]
SvenDowideitpharvey, yes, this TZ is bigger now [02:17]
kip3fhello [02:18]
pharveyhi kip3f [02:18]
SvenDowideit5 au locals is already huge [02:18]
pharveyoh my, the stats say I'm almost chattier than SvenDowideit... [02:19]
kip3fI find it funny that I'm always chatting with you guys
across the work
world
[02:19]
SvenDowideitpharvey, ish - my stas are broken over more than one id :p
kip3f, tis brilliant innit
[02:19]
kip3flast night, I was also chatting with coworkers in hong kong at the same time [02:19]
pharveyoh my, and I'm in the top 10 nicks across all TZs [02:20]
SvenDowideity - that's your sleep problem :( [02:20]
kip3fhey where are those stats? [02:20]
SvenDowideitsee channel topic :p [02:20]
pharveykip3f: http://irclogs.foswiki.org/pisg/pisg.html [02:20]
AlexisHazellgac410: My one-line change to spaceOutWikiWord does the job, and hasn't broken any tests. :-) [02:21]
pharveyquick! Make a test that breaks! :P [02:21]
AlexisHazell*laugh* [02:21]
gac410AlexisHazell: Check it in to trunk and we'll take a look! (And if you can, add a unit test. I think there is one that tests spaced out wikiwords [02:22]
AlexisHazellThere are at least 2-3, from memory. [02:22]
kip3fThere should would topic, think. Which about, using could, something.
= the top ten most used words
+ artistic punctuation
[02:24]
AlexisHazellGeneral question: Can the Trash be 'emptied'? Or does stuff put there just stay there indefinitely? [02:25]
pharveyit stays there until you do something with it. If you don't do anything with it... I guess it's there indefinitely. Some people have a cron job to empty the Trash web periodically, sometimes by creating a dated archive first [02:26]
AlexisHazell*nod* Okay, thanks. :-) [02:27]
pharveyTrash workflow is something we've been meaning to improve :/ [02:27]
SvenDowideitits part of what Timothe's feature is about
non-cron regular job scheduling
that needs to be in 1.2.0 'or so help me' (y, watched monsters inc with the girls last week)
[02:28]
AlexisHazellWell, is it possible to 'collapse' bits of the tree in the sidebar list of webs? [02:28]
pharveyasync stuff would be cool. But we pushed him to make it *too* cool, and last I spoke to CDot about it, his reaction seemed to be something along the lines of, that the proposal had creeped too far [02:29]
SvenDowideityes - there's a web pres setting to not display things
and also
[02:29]
AlexisHazellSo that for example the subwebs that are currently living in our Trash web get hidden? [02:29]
SvenDowideitTrash is only visible to admins
na, cdot's wrong about that :P
[02:29]
AlexisHazellSvenDowideit: Yes, but i'm being asked to make it visible to more. [02:29]
gac410Yeah that's what we did. Tar it up, remove all the files, and recreate the TrashAttachments topic. [02:29]
SvenDowideitwhat Timothe implemented is really really good
AlexisHazell, oh :)
[02:29]
pharveyI just wanted him to call it registerTask instead of addTask [02:30]
AlexisHazellRelated: Is it possible to specify the order webs are listed in the sidebar? [02:31]
SvenDowideitpharvey, you don't have enough long running rest handlers that should be able to be managed from the web ui :[
he says not wanting to see the size of your cronjob list :)
AlexisHazell, i think you have to make a custom search yourself and add some ordering
[02:32]
AlexisHazellSvenDowideit: Ah okay, thanks. [02:33]
pharveySvenDowideit, lies! :P [02:33]
SvenDowideitpharvey, as often as i can
in fact, yes, i'm lying in bed right now
[02:33]
pharveyrenames are the biggest timeout thing [02:34]
SvenDowideitthem too [02:34]
pharveybut we have some directedgraphs that take minutes to render [02:34]
SvenDowideitfascinting. I have a rendering issue on this foswiki, where text that has never been in the topic, is appearing in the topic.
__sometimes__
[02:34]
pharveyappearing where? [02:34]
SvenDowideitmmmmm, i wonder if there's a tooltip setting on the user's topic
inline
twould be easier if i were going onsite to look, but i had to call that off as i'm sick
[02:35]
gac410attachments that I reviewed were related screenshots
Now to cleanup WikiUsers.
:(
[02:38]
SvenDowideitand yes, looks like that user has TOOLTIPS on :) [02:39]
***SvenDowideit sets mode: +oooo AlexisHazell AndreU Colas donbarry
SvenDowideit sets mode: +ooo harlan kip3f pharvey
[02:40]
SvenDowideitlooks like we're not escaping the text going into the tooltip summary, so the 's in it are stuffing things up
another thing to try to fix in the next 20 hours
shame i need a nap first
[02:41]
gac410BTW CDot fixed the max recursion expansion in the tasks web.
Huge boost. The AppliesTo - a form field defn, was expanded internally on every view. And it was doing a of all topics in the Tasks web for an unrelated query.
[02:49]
SvenDowideitso he didn't fix the code?
just the topic that caused it?
[02:53]
gac410It was a bogus topic that was indeeed trying to recursively expand a variable.
I think he used a %IF to fix the %CLASS% issue, and split out the search into AppliesToParts
Core was protecting itself from a bad WikiApp
[02:54]
SvenDowideitk
so ideally we'd tell the user where it was going wrong
but not this day
[02:58]
gac410Y. He added the Web/Topic to the error message. Not sure if that got checked in though.
The topic was Tasks.Tabulator
[02:59]
SvenDowideitthe beast topic :/ [03:00]
gac410Oh... Any you were sent back to school for >> vs << The sendmail strange error code was bitshfit in wrong direction. :) [03:00]
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gac410Here is CDot's description of what's going on. There is probably some room for more optimization here. http://irclogs.foswiki.org/bin/irclogger_log/foswiki?date=2012-03-19,Mon&sel=1039#l1035
pharvey - you wrote the topic iirc. What do you think of using FAQRebuildingWikiUsers to clean up WikiUsers from all the spam deletions. Editing - finding/removing names is really painful.
[03:04]
pharveygac410: yep, that's what I made it for :) [03:06]
gac410So you would say "go for it" [03:07]
pharveyyep
just make sure you're an admin
can't recall if I made it render a warning if you're not
[03:07]
gac410gac410 shuts eyes, fingers in ears, and clicks. yes. you did [03:07]
pharveysometimes my past self makes my current self look bad [03:08]
gac410wohoo ... looks like it worked great [03:08]
.... (idle for 17mn)
SvenDowideitwow.
so using the foswiki on a usb stick via a networkshare to localhost used to be fast
(so that any random dir can be used as the root of a drive)
in wn8, it causes view requests to take 10s just for the html
[03:25]
pharveyis this related to the ,v file datestamp conundrum [03:26]
SvenDowideitcopying that to a real usb drive (and a slow one at that) and the requests goto ~3s
mmm, this is a plain release nuzip
so there are no ,v topics - good point tho
if only the psgi stuff was further, i'd love to ditch apache for portable app use
mmm, need to work on the conf really, there's way too many js/css requests replying 200 rather than 304
oh well, not core to my needs this week
i don't know how to make fastcgi work on here, i wonder if win32 xampp has mod_perl
he says kidding himself
somethign tells me that i'll see more than 500ms speedup with persistent perl when running off a slow usb/sd card
[03:26]
gac410SvenDowideit: You just bought yourself a couple of days ... I realized I've been off by 1 day all week. My Thursday meetings are Wednesday. So my Wed. trip needs to be Tuesday. So I'll build RC1 on Thursday. :P
Glad I thought of that tonight.
[03:36]
SvenDowideitgac410, wow. thats wonderful (for me ) :) [03:36]
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AlexisHazelli'm having difficulties find where the "Webs" section of the left sidebar gets defined/created.
i've duplicated viewsidebar.pattern.tmpl into viewsidebar.myorg.tmpl,
but i can't see how that generates a list of webs.
[06:32]
Ah! System.WebLeftBarWebsList. :-) [06:47]
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SvenDowideitok, what is a horizonatl portal? http://blogs.technet.com/b/meacoex/archive/2010/10/19/sharepoint-is-leading-gartner-magic-quadrant-for-horizontal-portals.aspx
maddening double speak
[07:03]
pharveySvenDowideit: it's the opposite of a vertical portal! [07:12]
SvenDowideitmmm, opposite? [07:12]
pharveyat right-angles to? [07:12]
SvenDowideitperpendicular perhaps
but opposite of horizontal must be horizontal!
never get involved in a land war in asia i tell you
[07:12]
pharveymaybe it's like polarizing light, so when you put one in front of the other, no signal gets through [07:13]
SvenDowideitoh, and lasers happen when i move my hands faster? [07:13]
pharveyhey, didn't tmwiki used to be on these? [07:13]
SvenDowideiton the wiki/colab one
gartner do millions of them
⎈↓
or
menu↓
⎈menu
oh good, windows xchat cna't do unicode
SvenDowideit mumbles
[07:14]
pharveyhah! http://www.quora.com/How-much-does-it-cost-to-be-included-in-Gartner-Magic-Quadrant [07:16]
SvenDowideitawesome!
hope that page loads
[07:20]
pharveypharvey wishes we had a CLI way to rename things [07:24]
SvenDowideiter....
you do
SvenDowideit mumbles, goes to docco and hopes
http://foswiki.org/System/CommandAndCGIScripts#A_61rename_61
pharvey, like. if you can call it from the web, you can call it form the cli
SvenDowideit hopes you try it, and hopes it works :)
[07:25]
pharveySvenDowideit: I seem to recall that it returns an HTML form with a list of backlinks to checkbox...
pharvey tries it
[07:28]
SvenDowideitpharvey, oh booooooooooooo
then we need to fix the docco
[07:41]
pharveyactually, it seems to work, but I can't seem to stop it from renaming the Main web
instead of the web that I want to rename
[07:42]
SvenDowideiti mean, you can't possibly have a docco name like http://foswiki.org/System/CommandAndCGIScripts#A_61rename_61
and not rename!
pharvey, so a bug! i mean, a witch, burn her!
i bet the param is just spelt differently or something dumb
[07:42]
CDotmissing comma between scope and creep, neh?
hmmm, more suspicious registrations on f.o this a.m. Suspicious, but credible.
[07:47]
SvenDowideitCDot, oi! he's no creep, and we have a scope! [07:48]
CDotCDot wishes he had a scope; his crappy old heathkit scope blew up a couple of years ago :-( [07:48]
SvenDowideitSvenDowideit really should stop amusing himself when he's exhausted and sick
scopes are cheap
hell, logic analysers don't cost tens of thousands anymore either
SvenDowideit is glad he has no spare budget for those kinds of toys
whereas 10 years ago, i had budget, but no room
[07:48]
CDotSvenDowideit: no, "ChenXiaowang" just registered. Now, I happen to know he is one of the foremost martial artists in China. He *might* be registering, but i doubt it. Or it might be one of his acolytes, or.... just someone who wants to remain anonymous [07:50]
SvenDowideitoh, gee, you mean they don't have more than one person with the same name> [07:50]
pharveyCDot: I'd lend you my Tek TDS540 http://www.gsamart.com/sp.cfm/DIGOSC/TEK/TDS540.html but I think the shipping will be more than just buying new :P [07:50]
CDotI have a policy with toys for electronics; they must be free or cost < $20 [07:50]
SvenDowideitgiggle
i have a similarl policy - i need to want one, and have room for it
i think mine is (atm) excluding more toys than yours
[07:50]
CDotCDot is waiting patiently for a logic analyser to appear on freecycle; so far, not even a logic probe :-( [07:51]
SvenDowideitespecially given the shocking bargins to be had from chinese ebay vendors [07:51]
CDot+ shipping [07:51]
SvenDowideity, even that [07:51]
pharveyactually, I was really proud of my TDS540 when I got it. Only paid $700 AUD... my budget was originally $200, but, well, eBay makes fools of us all [07:52]
SvenDowideiti started to see some where stuff was 1/3 of what it costs here in au, including shipping
hehe, ebay - a place i go to save money, cos 9 times out of 10 i decide not to buy anything, after stpending a few hours seeing whats there
cheaper than the movies too!
[07:52]
pharveyit turns out I really don't need 4 channels, now that I own one. Isn't that always the way. [07:53]
CDotSheldonDowideit ;-)
pharvey: did you really buy the Tek? or inherit it?
[07:53]
pharveyI bought it [07:54]
SvenDowideitgrin [07:54]
pharveyI was sick of my cheap Uni-T 10MHz hand-held thing
but to be honest, it got more use
[07:54]
SvenDowideiti'm astounded, a year ago, and i would not have worked out sheldon
mmm, arthur c clark? :p
[07:54]
pharveyeven Farnell is selling these cheap Uni-T things
they charge 80% more though
http://www.uni-trend.com/ut81b.html
[07:55]
SvenDowideitah, but shipping is free.... for a min spend of ... $1million [07:56]
pharveythey have a computerized ordering system, but still manage to corrupt the shipping address *and my name* [07:56]
SvenDowideitoh, of course :) [07:56]
pharveyIt's "Paul". I mean, how much simpler can it get?
Jim?
[07:56]
CDothmmm, /me wonders if the name "Sheldon" is in honour of Hari Seldon (nerd points for knowing who he is)
pharvey: for what I'm doing, 10MHz is *more* than enough
[07:57]
pharveyUsually is enough for me to, I just wanted more trace storage and more than one channel
Actually, the Uni-T isn't half bad, certainly better than the piece of utter crap Velleman thing I had
so if you can get a cheap 2nd-hand one, I'd highly recommend it, assuming it's not busted
[07:58]
CDotexpensive
at least, well over the $20 budget :-(
[08:00]
pharveywell, don't waste that $20 on the Velleman, the only fascinating thing about it is that they managed to use a PIC microcontroller to drive it [08:00]
CDotok, thanks for the tip [08:01]
SvenDowideitCDot, yup :)
thats what i recon
is there any other useful sheldon?
:p
[08:01]
pharveypharvey tries to remember why he's still at work [08:03]
CDotWhat fun! A build-your-own: http://www.bitscope.com/design/ [08:04]
SvenDowideitpharvey, because... you're building your own!
if you used cots off the shelf clouds of mega data
you'd be mega-don
e
[08:04]
pharveyI've been meaning to build a buspirate
"Did you know: the Bus Pirate is also an STK500 v2 compatible AVR programmer" -> nifty.
[08:05]
SvenDowideityeah, but none of them cots!
there's a au gov project to do openstack too
[08:07]
pharveyto use, or deliver services using? [08:08]
SvenDowideittbh, i didn't read on
i need something really cool, where i can have a fully private local cloud that can magically expand onto the web out there
mmm, CDot sheldon brown would be good too :)
[08:08]
CDottrue
however I suspect BBT's Sheldon wouldn't go within 100 miles of a bike
[08:10]
pharveyabandon ship! [08:18]
AlexisHazellAlexisHazell is finding it surprisingly difficult to dynamically generate a list of /just/ the subwebs of a given web (and not the subwebs + the web itself). [08:25]
SvenDowideitAlexisHazell, oh boi.
these are all things i always seem to manage to avoid doing.
BUT
SEARCH{'WebPreferences" excludetopic="ThisWeb.WebPreferneces" webs=ThisWeb" recurse+orwhatever the option is"
might not work until 1.2.0, but i don't know
or maybe there's an excludeweb optino
again, making it up
[08:27]
Henry78Hi all! [08:29]
AlexisHazellSvenDowideit: Hm, i've been doing something rather similar with WebHome, but not quite .... let me try that, thanks. [08:29]
Henry78How can I use the string representation of a Variable?
I want to save a edit history of topics (ApprovalPlugin) including the revision at the change time. Unfortunately, the %REVISION% isn't saved as a string and always points to the latest rev.
[08:31]
SvenDowideitHenry78, look at System.VarQUERY
AlexisHazell, WebPreferences.txt is the minimum 'definition' of a web
so its an almost safe thign to use
[08:41]
AlexisHazellSvenDowideit: Ah okay. [08:41]
SvenDowideitexcept of course that an admin can, if they hate people, define WEBPREFERENCE (or whatever its called to be somethng else
in which case, i call them maddened and crazed
just like... my daughters
SvenDowideit runs off
[08:42]
AlexisHazellWell, various permutations of SEARCHs haven't worked as well as WEBLIST, which gets closest to what i want .... except for the first line WEBLIST returns.
SvenDowideit: Heh heh. :_)
The first line returned by WEBLIST is, for some reason, indented less than the remaining results (which are indented consistently).
Currently have:
%WEBLIST{webs="public" subwebs="Trash" format=" * [[$name.WebHome][$name]]"}%
[08:42]
CDotAlexisHazell: it's probably the context it's used in, resulting in flawed TML [08:46]
AlexisHazellCDot: Hm, okay. [08:46]
CDote.g if you wrote "whoops%WEBLIST{webs="public" subwebs="Trash" format=" * [[$name.WebHome][$name]]"}%" I would expect the first line to be snafu [08:47]
AlexisHazellCDot: Yep, that was the problem, thank you! [08:47]
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Henry78I'll have a loo, SvenDowideit [10:53]
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that didn't help either. now ther QUERY is saved in the topic. I'm still searching for a way to expand a variable and save the resulting string [11:32]
Babarsave in a topic?
so you would click a button, it would run the query, create a new topic and save it ?
[11:33]
Henry78no, i'd like to use it in APPROVALHISTORYFORMAT, where i want to add the revision of the topic at the time the historiy is saved (appended to former history table entries). Regardless if use %REVINFO% or %QUERY{"META.TOPICINFO.version"}%, in both cases the macro is saved to the history table, but I'd like to save the string the macro is expanding to, like in my case "r6" for the revision at save time. [11:37]
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Babarok, got you. No idea how to do that thought, sorry :( [11:43]
Henry78what a pity. sound simple, but it's astonishingly hard to do in foswiki... [11:45]
Babarproblem is you might want both. Sometimes you might want it not expanded, and sometimes you want it expanded
according to the code, it replaces only 3 things: state, wikiusername and date. Rest is left as-is
you would want to add a feature to say $rev, but that doesn't exist. And I don't honestly get the point but I don't know this plugin
because for me, it should create a new revision each time, unless the same user changes states too quickly
[11:45]
SvenDowideitthere is a way.
I use html forms
and initialise an input value from QUERY
and then use that form to save to a topic and its form field value.
in fact, you could probably do the same %QUERY but using %BASEWEB%.%BASETOPIC% in the dataform definition
and then use the edit UI to set it.
SvenDowideit goes again :) need to remember to write that up too
[11:54]
AlexisHazellOkay, i'm having trouble understanding how to write a unit test to check my change to Foswiki::spaceOutWikiWord.
Particularly when i look at test_escapedWikwordFormfield
Since the contents of $expected and $actual have already been specified as identical, how can that test /not/ pass?
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Henry78Babar, yes, i want to have something like $rev, which I have to implement somehow, because the plugin doesn't bring a $rev.
In my case I always want to expand %REVINFO%. The point is to get a history table that includes the revision at the time of approval, so any reviewer just has to diff the current revision vs. the last approved revision.
now the simple question is: how to expand a variable before the topic gets saved. i.e. i don't want to save the macro/variable, but the expansion of the variable.
but maybe i should have a look at the plugin and try to add support for "$rev", if that the easier way to go.
[12:20]
Babaryeah, that's a one line fix :) [12:32]
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Henry78Babar, I'm just having a look at it. My first foswiki extension hack! yeah! [12:43]
Babarif you open a task, with the fix, maybe CDot will think it's worth patching the extension too :) [12:55]
foswiki_irc9hello - I prefer to work with the plain text editor and not with the wysiwyg editor. But I miss some functionality like search & replace. Is there a plugin like e.g. Notepad ++ available for foswiki? [12:58]
JulianLevensHenry78: I think ideally you're after something like: Development.QueryAcrossTopicRevisions. I suspect $rev will eventually become standard not just for the approval plugin. Your hack may need to stay local to your own stuff. Of course I could be quite wrong [12:59]
BabarJulianLevens: I think you got it wrong :)
foswiki_irc9: you could install some plugins on your browser to be able to open a textarea with an external editor, but I'm afraid there isn't something as transparent as Notepad++. NatEdit might help too, don't remember exactly if it has search&replace
[13:04]
JulianLevensBabar: well there's a first [13:07]
foswiki_irc9Barbar: thx [13:08]
BabarJulianLevens: from what I understood, Henry78 wants to have a table with all the revisions when the document changed states, so it can be easily diff'ed
he doesn't need to query these old revisions, just to put the revision number in the topic text. statically.
[13:09]
Henry78yep [13:10]
JulianLevensOK, it's just that I suggested a use case in QueryAcrossTopicRevisions that sounded similar. I don't have time to really understand Henry78's need, but I though it important to flag up a potential gotcha [13:12]
SvenDowideiti did exactly that using the technique i outlined above [13:12]
Henry78I'll have a look at the QueryAcrossTopicRevisions [13:12]
SvenDowideitbut to get it into topic text requres even more trickery
as you have to pre-load the textarea with the old text plus the rev
[13:12]
Henry78But you go the way via a form, SvenDowideit. [13:13]
SvenDowideitand?
what way do you want?
i used the form (with that data in hidden fields)
and _that_ is what triggered the state change and the datalogging
[13:13]
Henry78i don't use a form yet and don't want to introduce one [13:14]
SvenDowideit:)
y, it is simpler to change very few lines in perl
my point was addressing more that its possible, and not that hard
[13:14]
Henry78yeah, thank you for pointing this out!
as soon as my perl knowlege is coming back again, I'll get the onliner for the ApprovalPlugin working. Damned hash references.
[13:15]
SvenDowideitgrin
thankyou for reminding me about it
its an ancient hack, but might fit well into the storyline i'm writing
[13:16]
JulianLevensBabar: FYI, vagrant has been stable since for some time. I'm still on 0.8.10. I chose not to got to 0.9 as they warned you about API changes. I want to develop not hack vagrant. I'll do more on vagrant later [13:16]
SvenDowideitJulianLevens, humpf!
use Rex!
its perl!! :p
http://rexify.org/
i say this more because i want a rexPlugin to allow me to spin up tests and demos of foswiki :)
and on that - tis past 11pm, nite all
[13:17]
JulianLevensnite nite [13:18]
BabarSvenDowideit: I've checked rex. it doesn't look quite attractive enough for me to use it
but it's on my TODO list
[13:20]
Henry78got it. I'll propose this as a feature for the approval plugin.
thank you,. Babar & SvenDowideit>
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gac410Howdy CDot [14:09]
CDot - I was thinking (I know .. .dangerous) Another thing AWSPI should do when removing a user is check for group memberships and remove them as well. [14:17]
CDotgac410: yeah, I though about that.... and decided it was too complex for a bear of little brain. [14:18]
gac410Maybe I'll poke at it a bit in some spare time. Sure was surprised when I removed a user unknown to the mapper, and it removed me :) [14:19]
CDotyeah, I hadn't thought about that; neat way to delete yourself if you want to unregister, though! [14:21]
gac410Anyway ... I still wanted to remove the user topic, so fixed it. Cleaned up 100 registrations on f.o last night, and used pharvey's tool to rebuild WikiUsers [14:23]
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foswiki_irc9_Hi! I'm using LdapNgPlugin and I'm trying to generate wiki words from usernames (JohnDoe) but $givenName$sn doesn't work.
Is this due to a bug in the plugin or due to the way Foswiki handles variables?
Apparently it need a space to separate the variables. In my case I only get: $givenNameDoe.
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Has anyone adapted PersonalInfoAddOn to work with LDAP?
I've got the basics working but soem features are broken.
[15:53]
marian_banicahei guys... hei guys. what is the default username and password for configuration
i am in this step
http://www.panda.webio.ro/bin/configure
or where i have to set this?
[15:56]
Babarmarian_banica: you have the classic chicken and egg issue. You configured apache before configuring foswiki. So you have to create a "dummy" apache user
it's in the doc somewhere :)
[16:04]
marian_banicai've tried to configure Foswiki ...
but i am on a shared server
where i have to create this dummy apache user
?
:)
[16:05]
Babarin your .htpasswd file
in your apache configuration, you have something like: <FilesMatch "^(configure)$"> ... </FilesMatch>
here you can also add your IP address to bypass this
in the Alow from line
otherwise, you have an AuthUserFile directive, and you need to add your user to that file
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marian_banicawho can provide me some remote assistence for installation of a Foswiki instance? [16:42]
Babarhonestly Marian, the docco should be pretty clear. All you have to do is NOT to put Apache auth until you configured Foswiki
which I've been telling you for an hour now
[16:43]
marian_banicaok
i will start from scratch
[16:46]
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ok
another try similar results for me :(
http://www.panda.webio.ro/bin/configure
[17:43]
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Babarshow me your apache config [17:44]
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marian_banicai need some support for an installation on a shared host with cpanel. anybody who have some time to discuss with me about this? [18:31]
sad day for science :(
i need some help and i promise that if it works i will invest time to translate this awsome script in Romanian :(
i've did it already for 33% but i will do it for the rest
:)
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GithubBot[foswiki] foswiki pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/3mLbYA
[foswiki/master] Item11678: - MichaelDaum
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FoswikiBothttp://foswiki.org/Tasks/Item11678 [ Item11678: analyze the frequency assets have been used per page ] [20:18]
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SvenDowideitmarian_banica, i might have time in a fwe hours, but cpanel - ug
Lynnwood, might have used it?
[22:30]
Babaroh yeha, I said I'd help, but... [22:30]
Lynnwoodyessir? [22:30]
SvenDowideit<marian_banica> i need some support for an installation on a shared host with cpanel. anybody who have some time to discuss with me about this?
<marian_banica> sad day for science :(
<marian_banica> i need some help and i promise that if it works i will invest time to translate this awsome script in Romanian :(
<marian_banica> i've did it already for 33% but i will do it for the rest
[22:30]
LynnwoodLynnwood reads back before exiting for dinner [22:30]
SvenDowideit<marian_banica> :)
:)
[22:30]
BabarLynnwood: according to the bug item I pasted Marian, you did install on Dreamhost [22:31]
SvenDowideitSvenDowideit goes to get girls ready for daycare [22:31]
BabarLynnwood: http://foswiki.org/Support/Question201 [22:31]
Lynnwoodthanks
let's see... foswiki on Dreamhost? sure: easy-peasy
[22:31]
marian_banicaso few months ago i've been happy user of Dreamhost
now i am not anymore :D
[22:32]
Lynnwoodoh wait.
:-)
[22:32]
marian_banicathat time i've succed to install FW. now i didn't :( [22:32]
Lynnwoodjust installing FW on dreamhost usually goes very smoothly
what's happening?
and i'm being called to diner but can follow up later.
[22:33]
Babarfrom what I guessed, he's stuck in configure requiring a username / password
but as I don't know dreamhost, I can't explain him how to reconfigure to bypass that for his IP for configure
or something similar
until he creates a proper user for it
diner? at 5:35?!
ah no, DST! Sorry
still, 6:35 :)
[22:34]
Lynnwoody, i see [22:35]
marian_banicahey
even if now for me is 2AM i can wait until you finish the dinner :D
[22:36]
Lynnwoodmarian_banica: go back and note Babar's comments about the bin/.htaccess file [22:36]
marian_banicait takes me the whole day
i've read it a lot
belive me ...
i have no idea why it doesn't work
:(
the best installation guide for Foswiki on Dreamhost is here
http://wiki.dreamhost.com/TWiki
:d
[22:36]
Lynnwoodsorry, i've got to exit, but i will be glad to follow up later.
i'm pretty sure your issue is simple... once we find it.
really, install on DH is usually very easy
ok, gone...
[22:38]
Babarbon appétit [22:38]
marian_banicait's not anymore DH
bon appetit
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SvenDowideitmarian_banica, tell us what it is :)
argh. reboot time, too many web things open for too long
[23:05]
julian_workheya guys. I'm trying to get manualregistrations working for a foswiki I'm looking after. The verification part seems to not be working. my link for manualapproval looks like bin/register?action=verify;code=%VERIFICATIONCODE%. And the user account gets created instead of waiting for approval.
my question is: Is there a config setting for verification of new users?
[23:19]
SvenDowideitmanual?
you mean like the bulk rego feature that exists?
[23:20]
julian_workManually approving registrations [23:21]
SvenDowideitok, i don't know what you mean by manual, but yes, there is a verification setting in the rego options for configure
SvenDowideit is denser today than yesterday, sick as a sick sick thing on a sick day
[23:21]
julian_workbummer, I'll be gentle. :) [23:22]
SvenDowideitwhich might not be the best time to do complicated live apache conf work >:} [23:22]
julian_workSo where is that config page in foswiki?
uat first SvenDowideit :)
[23:22]
SvenDowideit/bin/configure
foswiki/bin/configure
er banana
i'm so glad i use git to manage my client /etc/ and foswiki install
[23:22]
julian_workso on System/WebHome click the configure link right? [23:23]
SvenDowideitwhen i break stuff, its justa git checkout abck to sanity [23:23]
julian_worksmart! [23:23]
SvenDowideitSvenDowideit can't recal - plssibly [23:23]
julian_workok, thanks for the help. :) [23:24]
SvenDowideitevery time i read a littl of our docco, i'm reminded of 10 years ago
so much is ancient text
[23:24]
julian_workindeed
I'd be happy to update some as I learn foswiki more.
[23:24]
SvenDowideitthat would be sweet [23:25]
julian_workThis is my first time using foswiki [23:25]
SvenDowideitas you only get to be new to it once
after that you're tainted by your previous experiences
[23:25]
julian_workhehe - I am really liking foswiki though [23:25]
SvenDowideiti keep finding things i do out of habit for bugs that have been fixed now [23:25]
julian_workfeels similar to dokuwiki [23:25]
SvenDowideitonly perlyer
anyone here interested in foswiki in the clouds?
[23:25]

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