#foswiki 2012-09-28,Fri

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gac410SvenDowideit: Looks like your trunk build failed with "Can't locate object method "target_stage" via package "FoswikiBuild::SUPER" at ../tools/build.pl line 193." [00:59]
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SvenDowideitgac410 what does that mean?
did someone move my cheese?
i wish people would stop moving my cheese, they smell aweful when i find them months later
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oh wow OSX is a POS
i set my camera to use its max res - 4000x3000
which makes iphoto spin its cpu permanently
i first discovered this bug a year ago, you'd think they'd fix such a simple thing
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gac410whoops - speaker was muted. I have no idea what target_stage is. Sounds like someone broke buildContrib? [01:51]
SvenDowideity, cdot refactored [01:53]
gac410I'm trying to figure out the blasted off-by-1-second issues. [01:53]
SvenDowideitand i'm just poking around to see whats the right thing
ok, wrt that
you don't care what the value is
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gac410I think I finally figured it out., [01:53]
SvenDowideitso long as its >= [01:53]
gac410This last one is it asks for a rev for a particular time. But the clock ticked and the time resulted in no topic. [01:54]
SvenDowideitimo make a $this->assert_revInfo_similar
ah, very naive test :)
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gac410Had to have the routine that creates the original rev return the timestamp of the original rev. rather than assume that time() ; create... alll happens in the same second.
Now to hijack a task :D
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SvenDowideitharumpf [01:55]
gac410bah - opening another task :( [01:55]
SvenDowideitneed more tasks :p [01:58]
GithubBot[foswiki] FoswikiBot pushed 1 new commit to Release01x01: http://git.io/40rG8Q
[foswiki/Release01x01] Item12102: getRevisionAtATime test - GeorgeClark
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FoswikiBothttp://foswiki.org/Tasks/Item12102 [ Item12102: Store / RCS tests keep failing by off-by-one-second errors ] [02:03]
SvenDowideitoh, neat :/
i fix that , and it complains it can't find Foswiki/Time.pm
oh well, time to go see if the girls are playing nicely again
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GithubBot[foswiki] FoswikiBot pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/LLfBmQ
[foswiki/master] Item12102: getRevisionAtATime test - GeorgeClark
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SvenDowideitoh argh.
target_stage builds the contribs and core in a cleaner /tmp/megix
and Foswiki::Time's not copied along for the ride
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FoswikiBothttp://trunk.foswiki.org/System/PerlDoc?module=Foswiki::Time [02:23]
SvenDowideitblooming people that work on BuildContrib without knowing everything [02:23]
gac410gac410 says don't blame him [02:24]
SvenDowideitwhy not :) no-one knows everything bout buildcontrib, its a convoluted, mis-used pile of steam
argh. i really don't know what CDot intended
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gac410SvenDowideit: Log::Dispatch knows how to call the output classes, and it's all pluggable... Maybe a listener is just another Output class for the logger? [02:52]
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SvenDowideitgac410 yup, if it works ;) [03:56]
gac410:P [03:57]
SvenDowideitargh!
ok, yay, i think i've gotit
and so the next nightly build might even produce zips
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GithubBot[foswiki] FoswikiBot pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/BQWikQ
[foswiki/master] Item12093: comment out 2 files Arthur may have forgotten to commit :) - SvenDowideit
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FoswikiBothttp://foswiki.org/Tasks/Item12093 [ Item12093: 2012 logo ] [04:31]
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pharveySvenDowideit: that must be broken for a while - target_stage errors last I tried to build trunk a week or two ago?
I just thought I'd broken something locally
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SvenDowideitpharvey yup, and nope
there's 2 breakages for me
one is that when i use relative INC paths, it goes to pot
but the other is that CDot extracted the targe_ code
and didn't update the core builder
argh. gnomehate
mmm, now, do i reset my nabaztags, or just try to remember what wifi network they were on
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Babarhow many indexing bots is there out there?!
right now, Bing, Baidu and Yandex, at least, are indexing...
and it seems bing is following the links to sort tables, and Baidu likes the SiteChanges... so in brief, it's killing the machine for useless content.
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pharveywe get the same problems :( [06:44]
SvenDowideity
it'd be really nice to dropkick those parasites
my personal approach is to detect them and restrict them to non-urlparams
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***Babar sets mode: +oooo AndreU CDot Colas julian_work
Babar sets mode: +oo pharvey SvenDowideit
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SvenDowideitand when the html cache works, i use rewrite rules to throw them only non-urlparam static html [07:00]
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pharveyI like pidgin, but I wish it had chatzilla's colours [08:19]
srijikhi guys
my name is sriganesh
i need some help
regarding foswiki installation on ubuntu
i have followed the instructions given in the installation guide
now if i restart the apache server
it throws out an error saying error in foswiki.conf file
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pharveydid you use the debian packages? http://fosiki.com/Foswiki_debian/ [08:22]
srijikphp admin flag is not recognised
no...i foolowed the installation guide
*followed
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pharveyah, yes. If you don't have php installed, then the directive which prohibits php execution is probably causing that error. [08:23]
srijikok,so can i just comment out that line in the conf file or should i install php
?
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pharveywe really should wrap that directive in an IfModule [08:24]
srijikoh,yea thats better
:)
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pharvey<IfModule mod_php5.c>...</IfModule> (I think?)
I'm not an apache expert :)
srijik: I highly recommend the debian packages if you're on ubuntu. I will fix the installation doc to make sure it mentions OS-specific installers.
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srijikyup...cool thanks pharvey...i'll try it out and come back with the solution... [08:27]
pharveyoh, the installation guide already does mention them
but you have to read the whole guide to learn this, haha.
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srijikya...lazy me... :D [08:27]
pharveyfoswiki.org/System/InstallationGuide#Specific_distribution_details
http://foswiki.org/System/InstallationGuide#Specific_distribution_details
oh, wait. That doesn't show the debian packages
or CentOS
ok, seems I have some work to do
unless I volunteer someone else to do it instead
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srijiknope...the whole thing is for Linux/Unix based systems, but a little confusing...
you could get around with some difficulty
ha...true
:D
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pharveyok, just to help me out, where in your opinion, do you think would be the best place to mention that we have CentOS & Debian packages which would simplify the installation process.
Probably near Basic Installation instructions
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srijikyup....
exactly
if you can have that as an additional page, the internal search would help
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pharveywe have http://foswiki.org/Download/OtherFoswikiInstallers [08:32]
GithubBot[foswiki] FoswikiBot pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/57cu1g
[foswiki/master] Item11716: load in target_stage and target_archive so that we can build releases again :p - SvenDowideit
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FoswikiBothttp://foswiki.org/Tasks/Item11716 [ Item11716: BuildContrib's create_new_extension.pl does not add appropriate names to MANIFEST ] [08:32]
pharveyok. I'm going to add a link to http://foswiki.org/Download/OtherFoswikiInstallers near the Basic Instructions in the InstallationGuide. [08:33]
srijiksuperb...thanks :) that would help a lot :) :) [08:33]
flexibeast1pharvey: i will link to that in the Book also. :-) [08:43]
flexibeastpharvey: Btw, the other thing i wanted to discuss with you was. http://foswiki.org/Tasks/Item11671
My personal position is, whether it should go into 01x01 is not my decision to make, since i'm not an experienced FW developer!
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pharveyflexibeast: I see, and I understand. But the reality is you were more familiar with that code than most of the rest of us. And you added a test, which ticks the right boxes for me... perhaps Foswikirev:14388 could get a quick peek from some others, maybe gac410 or CDot or jast or julian_work or SvenDowideit or.... hehe. [09:02]
FoswikiBothttp://trac.foswiki.org/changeset/14388 [ Changeset 14388 – Foswiki ] [09:02]
pharveyI'm sure Babar would complain if the commit was bad :P
oh, I hate wording efficiently
somebody should hire somebody to make the doc less word-tastic
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flexibeastpharvey: Heh, okay, fair enough.
Something i really need to do is get my head around writing FW-related unit tests - i need to write some for the plugins i've written.
And also for my TaskManagementContrib.
(Which i'm still trying to work out how to package.)
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pharveykewl
IIRC EmptyPlugin has empty tests
although there are some subtlties setting up a session, if your test requires one, FoswikiTestCase vs FoswikiFnTestCase, etc.
but we can help with that.
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flexibeastAh, okay, great. :-)
(Yes, setting up sessions would be required.)
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foswiki_irc8Hello
I just copied some webs and topics from a previous foswiki to a new installation, and lots of the topics are showing UnknownUser as author. Especially the WebHome topics of webs, but also others, I have so far been unable to see a pattern in it.
Does anyone have any idea what might be causing this?
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GithubBot[foswiki] FoswikiBot pushed 2 new commits to master: http://git.io/kMRWdQ
[foswiki/master] Item11746: Mention OtherFoswikiInstallers in InstallationGuide - PaulHarvey
[foswiki/master] Item11746: Oops, unclobber .htdigest-configure - PaulHarvey
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Babarhum, may I say that I disagree with the commit?
I think A100 should NOT be spaced out.
because... SuperAccidentOnTheM1 RadarsOnA41 ....
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sentorhi
how can i change the the AdminUser password?
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pharveyfoswiki_irc8: yes, that is a known change in behaviour relating to the timestamps on .txt,v vs .txt, let me dig up the article for you
foswiki_irc8: see http://foswiki.org/Tasks/Item11454 or http://foswiki.org/Support/KnownIssuesOfFoswiki01x01#Minor_issues
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FoswikiBot[ KnownIssuesOfFoswiki01x01 ] [10:57]
pharveysentor: you've forgotten your admin user password? and you want to reset it? [10:58]
foswiki_irc8OK, thank you [10:59]
sentorpharvey: no i know it but i want to change it [11:06]
pharveysentor: I don't have Foswiki 1.1.5 setup near me, I know this function has been improved for 1.1.6 but I thought you could change the admin password from the configure page? [11:13]
ModAcOstsenator: In configure there is a "Change password..." button, after you click "Save changes" [11:26]
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sentori will serach and try [11:47]
GithubBot[foswiki] FoswikiBot pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/yuDBDQ
[foswiki/master] Item11746: 'etc.' is just plain lazy - PaulHarvey
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GithubBot[foswiki] FoswikiBot pushed 1 new commit to Release01x01: http://git.io/N3KCEg
[foswiki/Release01x01] Item11746: Mention OtherFoswikiInstallers in InstallationGuide - PaulHarvey
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flexibeastSvenDowideit: Sorry, not sure whether you were addressing myself or Crawford here? http://foswiki.org/Tasks/Item11716 [12:28]
On the issue of spacing out "FinishingA100", i do see Babar's point; but there are situations where spaceout /does/ need to happen, e.g. "MinutesSeptember2012".
So i don't know what the solution is. :-)
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pharveysomebody tell me if the "Did you know..." tip above the download table on http://foswiki.org/Download/ is acceptable [12:36]
jastpharvey: looks good to me. if anyone complains, just put it below the table instead of above. ;) [12:40]
pharveycool
flexibeast: I added my 2 cents on Item11671
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FoswikiBothttp://foswiki.org/Tasks/Item11671 [ Item11671: SPACEOUT not working correctly in certain cases ] [12:43]
Babarflexibeast: I'd say: [:lower:][:digit:] should be parsed, but [:upper:][:digit:] should not. That's the distinction I would do. [12:45]
flexibeastWell, we have things of the form "AGM2012" to space out also.
i imagine that whatever set of parsing rules we apply, there'll always be something else for which those rules won't work properly. So if the distinction you would make seems to be the least painful one, then that's how it is. :-)
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Babaror...
you could have parameters to %SPACEDOUT% :)
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flexibeastHm, there's a thought! [13:02]
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pharveyhi gac410 [13:36]
gac410hi pharvey [13:43]
pharveyI updated foswiki.org/Download with some hints to check for packages/installers [13:45]
gac410That spaceout wikiword - looks like bugs are in the eye of the beholder :) which probably makes it a feature. [13:45]
pharveyand I updated KnownIssues for 1.1.5 [13:45]
Babargac410: exactly my point :) [13:45]
gac410yeah I saw that in the logs. My only concern is that some of the alternate packages are HOPELESSLY out of date. [13:45]
pharveygood point. We should clean up that table. [13:46]
gac410So nice that deb and rpm are now up to date, but they tend to lag, and windows and osx are embarrassing
Foswiki:Support.Question1100 is a bit concerning, Looks like the log eachEvent iterator may be missing records
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FoswikiBothttp://foswiki.org/Support.Question1100 [ Can't find SolrPlugin-bin ] [13:47]
gac410WHoops... not that
Foswiki:Support.Question1170
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FoswikiBothttp://foswiki.org/Support.Question1170 [ Missing search results ] [13:48]
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gac410jast, did you get the unit tests running in the unicode branch? I think the issue is that the register script is returning a different template. Attention vs. Thanks ... or something like that. [13:55]
CDotbig changes in the registration process since I added admin verification.....
however the unit tests were updated, so as long as they were merged it should be serene.
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jastgac410: not yet. I've been busy with other stuff today. will look at that, though. [13:58]
gac410yeah. Something not quite right. The registration of the user during setup was returning the oops - as expected. But the template didn't match. I fixed that on svn with a conditional release check for 1.2 vs. 1.1
But that was quite a while ago, so either the unicode branch is missing a commit, or the 1.2 vs. 1.1 logic isn't working right.
How does one remove a branch on github. I created a gac410 foswiki branch under my account, but it's stuck, I can't update it, and can't figure out how to give up.
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jastgit push --delete <remote> <branch> [14:01]
gac410Ah... from the shell, not from the web. I could have looked forever. Thanks.
hm. I see in branch -a ... remotes/gac-github/foswiki remotes/gac-github/master and a whole bunch more. IIRC I cloned foswiki using the github web.
gac410 has no idea what he is doing.
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jastso you can do stuff like git push --delete gac-github master [14:05]
gac410Looking at the github web, I have my account gac410, and 2 respositories, foswiki and JQueryWork No idea where JQueryWork came from. But foswik was a fork from the foswiki account. And under foswiki, are the branches in my local git repo [14:08]
jastwhat exactly do you want to get rid fo?
*of
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gac410Now to embarrass myself. I don't know :D It's all just *there* and I'm not sure what to do with it. Probably just reset it back so it's a current fork from foswik/foswiki and I can start over. [14:11]
jastjust delete the fork (web interface) and do it again? :) [14:11]
gac410I've finally say I somewhat know what I'm doing with git-svn. But with the github fork. I made my changes, then when I tried to push to get it back in sync, nothing worked. [14:12]
jastgit-svn really only works if your local repository was directly created by git-svn
if there's a middle man that does the git-svn part, things get complicated
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gac410right. It was. and works great. [14:13]
jastthe problem is that foswiki/foswiki is pretty much sync-from-svn-only [14:13]
gac410Then I think pharvey suggested adding in a github branch so I could show him some changes I made. And I got there, made changes and got stuck. [14:14]
jastso right now there's no sane way to develop in anything other than your own git-svn repo or (if you feel like more pain) an svn checkout [14:14]
gac410That was 2 months ago. since then it's just been getting stale (as have I) [14:14]
jastgit-svn forces you to do all sorts of rebases
after that, only push with --force will work (and that will make it harder for others to use your github repo, other than to look at it)
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gac410Well I'm very happy with git-svn. so I don't want to abandon it. So I guess I give up on github for now. [14:15]
jastyou could probably fix it by force-pushing your branches to github, e.g. git push -f gac-github master
assuming your local repo is still fine
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gac410well, my local repo branch master is fine and in sync with svn. NO idea about all the github branches. Have not touched them in months. [14:17]
jastyou can just overwrite them with your local state if you use -f during push [14:19]
gac410I guess I'm still missing something. So my master, release11, release branches are all current with git svn rebase. But if I "git checkout remotes/gac-github/master" How do I get that in sync with my local master so the push brings github up to current.
gac-github/master log says last commit was July 18, svn rev 15176
or do I git svn rebase my gac-github/master and then push that?
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jastyou never, ever "git checkout remotes/..."
the whole remotes namespace is meant to be a local mirror of what's currently on the remote
if you want to update the remote, you do "git push theremote yourlocalbranch". that will simultaneously update the corresponding mirror in remotes/.
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gac410yeah. The git checkout left me in detached head state so I could look around but not do much else.
Ah... so git push gac-github/master master will push my local master to the gac-github master?
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CDotgac410: the unit tests ought to handle the configuration of the registration process correctly, but it's just possible that I missed explicitly setting something, in which case it might be picked up from LSC, and therefore be vulnerable to local config settings. [14:27]
gac410CDot - just seems to be the unicode branch. Which for now, if you read back in my confusion ... is something I should stay very far away from for now.
I'm just working from a pastebin that jast supplied a day or so ago.
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CDotyup. I didn't merge the rego changes over there; AFAIK they are only on trunk (and in a contrib for mapping back to 1.1.6) [14:28]
gac410Ah... So unicode branch is branched from Release01x01 not trunk. [14:29]
CDotno, it was branched from trunk; but quite a while ago [14:29]
gac410Didn't pharvey do a catchup recently?
jast. As I stumble around trying to cause havoc ... git push -n remotes/gac-github/master master
fatal: 'remotes/gac-github/master' does not appear to be a git repository
fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly
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jastgac410: git push gac-github master
remotes/gac-github/master is what's known as a named ref (object reference)
the full name is refs/remotes/gac-github/master (you can probably find that physical path inside .git)
by tool-enforced convention, refs in remotes/foo are tied to the remote foo (git remote -v to list)
push needs the remote, rather than the ref, because the remote definition contains the URL and such
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gac410Ahh git remote ... I've been hunting through help to try to find where the remotes were defined. [14:39]
jastpush's args aren't "<source> <target>", rather they're "<remote to push to> <refspec>"
and a refspec is a complicated thing that, in the standard case, is just the name of one of your local branches
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gac410Okay push failed. non-fast-forward updates were rejected It says to do a pull first... Now it comes back to me. That is where I was stuck last time. [14:40]
jastyeah, don't actually pull [14:40]
gac410iirc, pull failed as well. [14:40]
jastthat advice is only sound if there's actually anything new on the other side
since that definitely isn't the case, what you can do instead is to use -f to force the push
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gac410okay ... trying. [14:41]
jastthat will overwrite the stuff on github and replace it with yours [14:41]
gac410And how do I get my side in sync with svn. Do a svn rebase?
nah... stupid question
I'm pushing my master, which is already in syn.
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jastyep [14:42]
gac410Wow.. .this is Slllloooowwww And is killing my dsl uplink. :(
gac410 goes to make some notes.
gac410 goes to figure how to order a faster internet connection. It's reached 10% :(
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jasta lot of objects have to be re-uploaded because git-svn on your side and the original on the foswiki side generate completely different commit objects
it shouldn't be that bad next time
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gac410Do I have to do this for each local branch off of master. Ex. from master, I did a "git checkout -b logger" to create a new logger branch. Do I have to push that branch separately? [14:54]
jastyes. should be much quicker, though, since it shares most of the objects with master [14:55]
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ModAcOstWhat can I do to get this one going: http://foswiki.org/Development/AddBeforeRenameHandler ? [15:45]
gac410ModAcOst: Are you willing / able to work on it? [15:46]
ModAcOstShould be fairly simple, like http://pastebin.com/eLD8GZ4a [15:46]
gac410Do you have checkin auth for svn? Add yourself as the "Committed developer" and add a commit date. That starts the 14 day clock. After 14 days, assuming no objections, you can commit the changes to trunk.
Though would be good to add to the Handler tests so that the feature gets unit tested.
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ModAcOstWill have to reapply for svn, I decided to not use the ModAcOst account, since its not my real name...
I haven't looked into UnitTests for foswiki
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gac410We can help. That particular test - the handler tests - is pretty difficult. [15:51]
ModAcOstthx, I will come back to that after the weekend. [15:52]
gac410Pretty important to be able to run the tests after making changes, otherwise we eventually catch up with you :)
(Get your name on the Feature Proposal with a date, to start the 14 day clock! )
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CDotgac410: do you know if JulianLevens ever checked anything in for VDBI? [15:56]
gac410No I don't think so. He is working off in his own space. I think he or someone commented on that the other day. [15:57]
ModAcOstWill do that on monday, will have to go now. bb [15:58]
CDotok. I just don't want to duplicate his work. [16:00]
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pharveyCDot: JulianLevens has a github repo for the VDBI thing [16:36]
CDotoho, he does, does he? OK, I'll have a browse. Thanks. [16:37]
pharveyI think I'm watching it [16:37]
CDotany idea what his username is? [16:38]
pharveytrying to understand github. It's not working, haha. Nearly there I think.
ah, here it is
no. I lied
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CDotok. maybe it's on some other respiratory. I though he said he was putting it on gihub, tho. [16:42]
pharveyI definitely read some of the code on github, but how odd. I can't find it now
thought I followed it
what the hell, a stupid blue dot is their idea of letting me know I have new notifications? How bizarre
hey cool, people are using the github issue tracker? https://github.com/foswiki/SolrPlugin/issues/1
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CDoty, on other projects
CDot is studiously ignoring it for Foswiki :-)
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pharveyI briefly entertained the idea of trying to use the Net::GitHub API in some way
(to scrape github issues in one direction or another)
then I remembered I sleep sometimes
this is driving me nuts
I'm going to vpn to my workstation and check my history
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CDotsorry
https://github.com/Jlevens/VersatileSQLStore according to the irc log
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pharveythat's it
how odd
I was watching it, and I couldn't find it
pebcak
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quantumfoamhi there, I'm very new to foswiki and I just installed it on debian using apt-get and I'm a bit lost [17:36]
gac410welcome ... ask away and we'll try to help [17:36]
quantumfoamwell, I guess I sorta expected a defaut directory structure to get dropped into /var/www
the installation instructions are telling me to set permissions on the foswiki folder there, but there is no such folder
[17:48]
gac410hm. I think it should have ... but I don't use the deb packages, so I really don't know. Maybe someone else will answer.
dpkg --listfiles (the foswiki pkg you installed) should list all the files installed
or dpkg --status (the foswiki package) will tell you details about it's installation
gac410 is wondering if the package install failed somehow, if it didn't create the directory structure.
[17:49]
quantumfoamall the lib stuff I expect
config files in /etc
and some things in /usr/share
well more than some...documentation and such?
it didn't touch /var/www at all
[17:53]
gac410Babar ??? Have you installed the deb packages? (I figure SvenDowideit is sleeping) [17:55]
quantumfoamI did
apt-get install foswiki
(following an install of apache2)
[17:56]
gac410That *should* have been enough. hm. [17:57]
foswiki_irc1So I'm trying to set up Foswiki on my computer [17:58]
gac410quantumfoam: I have an old debian vm somewhere. I'll try to boot it and install from the fosiki repo, but it's lunchtime - have to eat a bit first :) [17:59]
Babargac410: sorry, what?
there is nothing in /var/www with the debian package
[17:59]
gac410quantumfoam installed the .deb says no var/www/ structure was created. I'll have to try to install - never installed the pkgs
Well I guess that explains it :D
[17:59]
Babardpkg -L foswiki will tell you what was installed. It's in /var/lib/foswiki. [18:00]
foswiki_irc1I got to the "Configure Foswiki" step, but no matter what I try to do with the configuration files, I can't get permission
*no matter what I do
[18:00]
gac410gac410 scratches head wtf ... why on earth would you put web stuff in /var/lib [18:01]
Babarbecause there is no web stuff. [18:01]
gac410foswiki_irc1: Are you getting a HTTP authentication message? (Enter user and password to acess configure?) [18:02]
foswiki_irc1No
403 Forbidden
[18:02]
Babarthere are scripts, which need to be executed from the webserver, so they should do to /usr/lib/cgi-bin if you prefer. But that's about it. [18:02]
gac410http://your-site/foswiki/bin/configure gets 403 forbidden. How did you build your foswiki / apache configuration file? [18:02]
Babargac410: it comes with the Debian package [18:03]
foswiki_irc1with the apache config generator [18:03]
BabarWHAT? [18:03]
gac410foswiki_irc1: how did you install. (Different user Babar) [18:03]
Babaroh.
my bad :)
Babar shouldn't check irc while watching Fringe
[18:03]
gac410:) [18:04]
foswiki_irc1I used the automatic installer thing
but the directions told me I should have a folder with a -1.1.* in it, so I downloaded one of those too
path: C:\Programs\Foswiki\Foswiki-1.1.5
[18:04]
Babaroh... windows... [18:06]
foswiki_irc1yes indeed [18:07]
gac410Hm... Did you run the rewrite-shebang tool? [18:07]
foswiki_irc1yes [18:07]
gac410quantumfoam: did you get Babar
oops. Babar's reply - look in /var/lib/foswiki ...
foswiki_irc1: by "automatic installer thing" you mean the strawberry foswiki installer? or ??
[18:08]
foswiki_irc1yes...
the 1.1.2 one...
[18:11]
Babarah...
yeah, that's an old crappy one :)
the FoswikiOnAUSBStick should be better
[18:11]
foswiki_irc1okay, I'll try it [18:12]
gac410After you installed the 1.1.2 version, before you downloaded 1.1.5, did you try foswiki? [18:12]
foswiki_irc1no
should I have?
[18:12]
gac410not necessarily. Just wondering if the installer was working - all be it old. [18:14]
Babarproblem is... the installer will have installed a lot of stuff, and the one on the USB key won't need anything [18:17]
foswiki_irc1okay, so I extracted FoswikiOnAUSBStick, and tried running start_foswiki.bat [18:18]
BabarI'm guessing by the "tried" that it didn't go as planned :( [18:18]
foswiki_irc1it opened up "http://localhost/foswiki/bin/view" in my browser and gave me a 403
hmm
it might be corrupted by the previous installation though
[18:18]
Babarhum... you might have 2 apache servers installed
you should stop and uninstall the local apache
[18:19]
foswiki_irc1well, I uninstalled it, and ended two of two apache processes running on my computer
that changed the error to "Firefox can't establish a connection to the server at localhost." at least
is the batch file supposed to automatically reinstall apache if it doesn't find it?
[18:23]
gac410I think that the Foswiki USB Stick should include it's own version of apache, perl, etc. Complete standalone implementation. [18:26]
quantumfoam: I just ran an install of the deb packages on a debian 6.0.5 system. Answered the config questions during install, and server worked fine. bin/configure and bin/view both came right up.
admin password for configure and the admin login were set to the pw I entered during the installation prompts.
Is your apache not working, or were you just trying to find the files?
[18:31]
foswiki_irc1well, after deleting it, it's less extant than I want it to be [18:33]
quantumfoamsorry, was working on something [18:41]
gac410foswiki_irc1: I'm not really sure. Unfortunately I've not used either installer (Strawberry or FOAS) My test window system was installed "the hard way" :) [18:42]
foswiki_irc1is the hard way easier? [18:42]
gac410... well, it's not supposed to be. The "installers" should "just work"...
By hard way, I mean install perl, install apache, get that working. Then install following Foswiki:System/InstallationInstructions It's a bit of effort.
[18:42]
FoswikiBothttp://foswiki.org/System/InstallationInstructions [18:43]
gac410er. Foswiki:System.InstallationGuide [18:44]
FoswikiBothttp://foswiki.org/System.InstallationGuide [ InstallationGuide ] [18:44]
quantumfoamderp
ok so
I guess I was expecting something different based on those instructions
[18:44]
gac410which instructions? [18:44]
quantumfoamis it on a different port by default or something?
the ones the bot just linked
I get the default apache install page, that's all
[18:44]
gac410quantumfoam: how about go to yoursite.com/foswiki/bin/view [18:45]
quantumfoamthe instructions say to set permissions on /var/www/foswiki or whatever
there is no such folder
[18:45]
gac410InstallationGuide is for manual install. Debian is totally different. :( [18:45]
quantumfoamoh
ok well then I guess I need to get a proper config in place
[18:45]
gac410The debian packagers assume that debian users "do it the debian way" which is totally completely different from the Foswiki install. [18:46]
quantumfoamcan I use one of the files that's in /etc/foswiki?
root@help-debian:/etc/foswiki# ls
[18:46]
gac410Debian install should have build your configuration and everything. After running the install, it will just work. [18:46]
quantumfoamapache.conf apache.conf~ LocalSite.cfg LocalSite.cfg~ ShorterUrl.conf [18:46]
gac410When you ran the deb install for foswiki, it prompted you for an admin password. That will auto-configure everything, it will even restart apache.
After install completes. just point your browser to the url you entered during the install.. .../foswiki/bin/configure
[18:47]
foswiki_irc1huh
Foswiki on a stick works better when it's on a stick
[18:49]
Babarfoswiki_irc1: ok :) [18:50]
gac410foswiki_irc1: I've never tried to install FOAS on the hard drive. ... (actually I've never tried it at all) :( [18:50]
quantumfoamoh
derpity derp, I was just going directly to the server root
the CORRECT URL works CORRECTLY
quantumfoam am smert
[18:51]
gac410excellent.
Well, the instructions on the debian page are "a bit thin" ...
[18:51]
quantumfoamI picked this wiki because I've had bad experiences with mediawiki in the past and foswiki looks nice and flexible
I know my way around a wiki tho
planning this to set up an internal IT knowledgebase at work
[18:52]
gac410One thing I noticed. By default, email is disabled, so no password reset, etc. If you have working email, you should configure the email tab in bin/configure.
You will probably want email. Also, for enterprise installs, often people change over to LDAP auth for their central user auth, but that's a big configuration effort. (Setting up LDAP just is complex.)
But certtainly to get started, the default Template and Topic based mappers and auth are fine.
[18:53]
jastif you already have an LDAP server, setting up foswiki to use it isn't actually terribly complicated
unless your LDAP structure is insane (happens more often than I'd like)
my favourite so far: non-ASCII characters in the base DN
[18:56]
gac410gac410 has had difficult experiences with LDAP. Spent lots of time with ldap browser tools to check out the ldap structure. And that wasn't for Foswiki. But still ... [18:58]
jastin some extreme cases we had to import all approximately person-like objects and all groups
the database gets a bit big that way
and let's not even mention Main.WikiGroups ;)
[18:58]
gac410pharvey updated InstallationGuide in svn to include recommendation for the "installers". Maybe it also needs a warning, that if you use an installer, the paths and other information in the guide will be often wong. [19:00]
jastsounds good [19:01]
gac410InstallationGuide is pretty clear about /var/www/foswiki ... vs. debian approach to write a little bit here and there across your file system. [19:01]
jastthat's debian for you [19:02]
gac410I assume the centos rpm does similar ... but not going there. Have enough vm images already. [19:02]
jastwe got our new server at work yesterday
it'll be for two things only: file storage and testing VMs
[19:03]
gac410I must admin, having just run the apt-get install foswiki ... it really was easy. Absolutely no editing. browser just worked after apt-get completed.
er. s/admin/admit/
[19:03]
jastyeah, that's also debian for you
there are few things that don't work out of the box
or package :)
[19:04]
quantumfoamwe have AD
so I could probably connect to a DC with LDAP
I have with other things (OpenFire)
I'm the only linux fish in a pond of windows sharks
no one else here knows dick about linux
[19:17]
gac410:) I recognize that situation. Been there as well [19:18]
Babarbeen there too. At least I've managed to convince some to use git :) [19:25]
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quantumfoamwow
this is so much nicer than mediawiki
dunno what our devs use for source control
I've seen it on their screens and it looks rinky dink
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Babarrinky dink? :) [20:59]
quantumfoamghetto
90s style CSS
etc
[21:03]
BabarI've seen many source control which looks really bad :) [21:05]
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