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gac410ChristyF: Not sure I understand your question. Could you explain it a bit more? [00:28]
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I think I have an "alpha" major/minor/patch version number worked out. 1.1.999_001 would be the 1.2.0 alpha release, so it compares less than 1.2.0 but newer than 1.1.x
Our 1.1.7_004 "alpha 1.1.7 releases" should really have been built as 1.1.6_004 ...
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Babaryes, that makes sense. [02:31]
gac410phew...
:)
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GithubBot[foswiki] FoswikiBot pushed 3 new commits to Release01x01: http://git.io/Cqql7A
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GithubBot[foswiki] FoswikiBot pushed 4 new commits to master: http://git.io/-NaYFg
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pharveySvenDowideit: are you using trunk PageCache on any public-facing thing? [03:28]
gac410pharvey ... it's enabled on t.f.o isn't it? [03:28]
pharveythat requires a login [03:29]
gac410ah... yes. [03:29]
pharveylooking up dependencies can make postgres stall for 30s while it digs for an answer
explain says something about a nested loop
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FoswikiBotpositive: nothing; negative: nothing; overall: 0. [03:30]
pharveyexplain what? [03:30]
FoswikiBotpositive: nothing; negative: nothing; overall: 0. [03:30]
pharveyexplain FoswikiBot [03:30]
FoswikiBotpositive: nothing; negative: registered users from an external SSO (CDot); overall: -1. [03:30]
gac410foswikibot is loosing it's mind. [03:30]
pharveyexplain pharvey [03:31]
FoswikiBotpositive: does everything I want, sometimes without even asking for it :) (Babar); negative: nothing; overall: 1. [03:31]
pharveyhaha
what an interesting feature
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gac410I don't understand it ...
explain gac410
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FoswikiBotpositive: :) (pharvey), comment (penguin359), comment (penguin359); negative: nothing; overall: 8. [03:32]
gac410foswikibot: help [03:33]
FoswikiBotgac410: Ask me for help about: google, dns, foswiki, vars, join, karma, auth, assemble, seen, infobot, corelist, weather, loader (say 'help <modulename>'). [03:33]
pharveyexplain SvenDowideit [03:33]
FoswikiBotpositive: nothing; negative: nothing; overall: 0. [03:33]
gac410foswikibot help explain [03:33]
FoswikiBotgac410: I don't know anything about 'explain'. [03:33]
pharveyseems like some sorta karma system [03:33]
gac410yeah. [03:33]
pharveyexplain Babar [03:33]
FoswikiBotpositive: nothing; negative: nothing; overall: 0. [03:33]
gac410explain jast [03:33]
FoswikiBotpositive: nothing; negative: nothing; overall: 0. [03:33]
pharveyjast is awesome! :)
explain jast
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FoswikiBotpositive: nothing; negative: nothing; overall: 0. [03:34]
pharveyhaha [03:34]
Babarpharvey++ # playing with the bot [03:34]
pharveyahh [03:35]
gac410explain pharvey [03:35]
pharveygac410++ fixing my WYSIWYG bugs [03:35]
FoswikiBotpositive: does everything I want, sometimes without even asking for it :) (Babar), playing with the bot (Babar); negative: nothing; overall: 2. [03:35]
pharveyexplain gac410 [03:35]
FoswikiBotpositive: comment (penguin359), fixing my WYSIWYG bugs (pharvey), comment (penguin359); negative: nothing; overall: 9. [03:35]
pharveynifty
I guess it doesn't do pascal syntax, SvenDowideit := SvenDowideit + 1
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Babarit's usually called "karma" :) [03:36]
pharveyso Babar, how do I get it to explain my postgres' explain output [03:37]
Babarno idea what you're talking about [03:37]
gac410interesting ... it has a long memory. penguin359 has not been on since 2012-03-11 [03:37]
pharveynever mind, it just seems the Foswiki PageCache uses some crazy joins to resolve dependencies which don't scale well [03:38]
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SvenDowideitpharvey, no, not at present [04:53]
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so you need more of them >:} [05:25]
pharveywebscale! [05:27]
SvenDowideitfwhy is that everytime i hear that i shudder [05:27]
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pharveypure awesomeness makes some people shudder [05:35]
SvenDowideithuge!
analysis of request - if you have no idea, then its not like you really want to know
or, alternative suggestion
order pizza and invite everyone you've worked with and helped to come in and say a few words
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pharveylol, that would be awesome [05:38]
SvenDowideitplay a nice requiem in the background just to um hammer the point home
extra points if everyone that you've helped no longer works there
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harlanWhat controls the colors used by table headings? I'm looking at https://support.ntp.org/bin/view/Dev/GNUAutoGenConversion and the contrast is lame for the =foo= items in the header of the first table.
maybe in the TablePlugin...
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MichaelDaumhi harlan. still on tmwiki? ;) [08:04]
harlanon that site...
I'm game to upgrade/switch, but it will go faster if we can find somebody to do it for us (and if that will cost $ then I'll need to see if I can raise the funds)
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MichaelDaumwould be glad to help out
harlan, email me if you like to discuss this offline
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harlanDo I have your email address? If it's easy to find I'll dig. [08:10]
MichaelDaumsee http://foswiki.org/Main/MichaelDaum [08:10]
harlanthx [08:10]
MichaelDaumyw [08:10]
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harlanMichaelDaum: are you an early-riser? [08:52]
MichaelDaumyes, to get my kids to school. [08:52]
harlancool. [08:53]
GithubBot[foswiki] FoswikiBot pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/OnVkzg
foswiki/master 9ebd605 MichaelDaum: Item12345: upgrade jquery and other 3rd party plugins...
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FoswikiBothttp://foswiki.org/Tasks/Item12345 [ Item12345: upgrade jquery and other 3rd party plugins ] [08:59]
jastnote, there are alternative IRC notification services that don't do join/part spam
e.g. Notifico at http://n.tkte.ch/
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GithubBot[foswiki] FoswikiBot pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/CR2qwg
foswiki/master ec7711b MichaelDaum: Item12346: fixed jittering cursor and scrollbars in IE8...
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pharveySvenDowideit: what does this one mean again? "Could not perform search. Error was: query error: error on invocation of $where function:<br />JS Error: ReferenceError: foswiki_isTrue is not defined nofile_a:" [10:52]
jastI'll probably commit my work on SafeWikiPlugin today [10:54]
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SvenDowideitpharvey it means the web needs to have its javascript updated
i think
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pharveyisee [11:19]
SvenDowideitwhich irc you can do without re-importing it [11:20]
pharveyergh, still not working
SvenDowideit: never mind, ?refresh=all to the rescue
MichaelDaum: have you ever had so many dependencies tracked that the query PageCache sends to the DB overwhelms it?
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MichaelDaumpharvey, that def stinks [11:39]
pharveymillions of rows in the deps table [11:39]
MichaelDaumMichaelDaum seen your comment ... twas 6mios+ [11:39]
pharveypostgres explain seems to show the query planner ends up using a nested query
is this a postgres thing do you think?
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MichaelDaummy first guess would be: wtf [11:40]
pharveyhehe [11:40]
MichaelDaumwhy didnt the depts go down [11:40]
pharveyhrm, not sure what you mean [11:41]
MichaelDaumthe dependency table should not grow endlessly [11:42]
pharveyoh. Do I need to be purging the cache every night? Or something? [11:42]
MichaelDaumso theres some delete that doesnt do its job
no no
it means: dependencies are added but not removed anymore
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pharvey?refresh=all works, but took over an hour to run from CLI [11:43]
MichaelDaumthe cache is flawed
it probably adds the same deps again and again during saves
thats the direction I'd investigate the code
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pharveycool [11:45]
MichaelDaumin other words, by no means are you supposed to have so many dependencies [11:45]
pharveyI'm afraid there has been very few saves since I purged it, and the DB is climbing like this again [11:46]
SvenDowideitcan we add some debug stats to the http header? [11:46]
MichaelDaumah wait. the saves should have removed deps. not added. [11:46]
SvenDowideitlike 'x-foswiki-depends-on' [11:46]
pharveyI have some wikiapps where there really are 300+ topics involved with rendering [11:46]
SvenDowideitso pharvey can see if a topic depends on a trillion things? [11:47]
MichaelDauma save-to-cache stores deps as well [11:47]
pharveyso average of 60 dependencies per page might not be *too* outrageous [11:47]
MichaelDaumhow many topics are there all together [11:47]
pharvey210k
pharvey almost motivated to write a mongo impl :P
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SvenDowideitmmm, really do need a pagecache db report -
that'd be nice to see :)
we should have made a mongodb session backend too
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MichaelDaumthe other lesson to learn would be: don't add so many deps per page. [11:48]
SvenDowideitand then have many foswiki 'rendering frontends'
that sounds like an un-lesson wrt wikiapps
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MichaelDaumpharvey
how comes 300+ topics are involved rendering a single piece of html
that sounds strange
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pharveyIt's a long, tragic story [11:50]
SvenDowideitimagine a page that shows a project plan [11:50]
MichaelDaumpharvey, are they coming in via a %SEARCH? [11:50]
pharveysomewhat encouraged by normalization of data simply because it looks nice in a grid, haha [11:50]
SvenDowideitand each item on tha tplan is a topic [11:50]
pharveyand then OMG we can make dashboards and things
MichaelDaum, SEARCH from ViewTemplate and also Semantic Links
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MichaelDaumthen try to remove the addDependency from the %SEARCH code [11:51]
SvenDowideitdoesn't that neuter the cache?
SvenDowideit actually thinks thats a good idea
[11:51]
MichaelDaumtracking these dependencies is problematic per se [11:51]
SvenDowideitin the sense that often old results _are_ good enough [11:51]
MichaelDaumright [11:52]
pharveyit shouldn't be this hard :( users are already unnerved by the existence of the cache. Habitually hitting ?refresh=on each time they make an edit to make sure they believe what they see [11:52]
MichaelDaumlooping over 300+ topics calling addDependency for each is too expensive anyway, given that you are showing the first page with 10 hits anyway [11:52]
SvenDowideitSvenDowideit un-nerves users by cacheing the weblist in the browser cache for 24hrs
300+ topics doesn't mean you're throwing most of the results away - there are lots of dashboards that aggregate like that
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MichaelDaumthere's no proper way to properly store dependencies for a changing search space underneath [11:54]
SvenDowideitthere is, but its the inverse of what you're doing [11:55]
MichaelDaumso removign addDependency makes totally sense for you, pharvey. [11:55]
SvenDowideit(and probly much more complicated to code) [11:55]
pharveymaking the dependency tracking even less useful sounds troublesome [11:56]
SvenDowideitstore the search, and evaluate the search onsave to see if that change causes the topic to enter / exit the list [11:56]
MichaelDaumpharvey, no [11:56]
SvenDowideitbut there's pain either way [11:56]
pharveyhttps://wiki.trin.org.au/Mangroves/Avicennia_marina has no single SEARCH with 300 results plotted [11:57]
MichaelDaumwhat reverse proxies normally do is trade expiry time for speed [11:57]
pharveyit just happens to involve 300+ topics in getting the page rendered [11:57]
MichaelDaumyou said there's some view template doing SEARCH on each topic's view? [11:57]
pharveythe relationships table at the bottom is a SEARCH but also a FORMAT, yes [11:58]
MichaelDaumtry to use async loading for it alone using jquery.loader
so this search is cached part of a separate view probably the same on many topics
the rest of the topic is cached on its own then, with less dependencies
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pharveythese templates weren't constructed by me, so I'm wary of adding ajax magic, but I see your point [12:00]
SvenDowideitmmm, MichaelDaum does the deps also track all WikiWords? [12:00]
pharveyany [[Link]] or LinkLink fires an addDependency, methinks [12:00]
SvenDowideitcos thats alot of links too [12:00]
MichaelDaumthings beyond the fold, even more when expensive, are normal candidates for asyncing them [12:00]
SvenDowideitthat topic has a bajillion []'s
no SEARCH needed to get to 300 :/
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pharveyI see, it's just I thought the SQL statements postgres was trying to crunch through could perhaps be made less taxing if we changed the schema a bit
avoiding joins
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SvenDowideitpharvey very likely [12:01]
MichaelDaumthat too. sql cracks wanted. [12:01]
SvenDowideitMichaelDaum did ask for DB help [12:01]
pharveyok
I shall put this on my TODO
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SvenDowideitlucky you :) [12:02]
pharveyPageCache has saved my poor VM's load average quite substantially
so I should probably invest some time on it :)
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MichaelDaum:) [12:03]
pharveynot that I'm an SQL wizard, haha
postgres handles millions of rows just fine, usually
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MichaelDaumsql foo is somehow similar to gimp foo: once you achieved the task you tend to forget it next time you need that skill [12:04]
pharveyyep [12:04]
MichaelDaumI wonder why
SvenDowideit, did you impl joomla users?
MichaelDaum reading mails
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SvenDowideitMichaelDaum yup
i just unblocked that email, so will reply :)
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MichaelDaummaybe a payed jubb [12:06]
SvenDowideitwe'll see - my first quick research made me think it should not be different [12:07]
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blimey, how long does it take to drive a courierload of stuff from melbourne to brisbane
my notebook left melb 7pmyesterday
and its er 'still in transit'
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mtr_Hi everybody, how can I make the page ResetPassword accessible by a user who is not logged in when generally, all webs and pages are access restricted?
* Set ALLOWTOPICVIEW = WikiGuest or NobodyGroup did not work
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jastthe standard approach is to set ALLOWTOPICVIEW and DENYTOPICVIEW to empty string [12:37]
mtr_Doesn't work for me..
Both settings or either one do not lead to the desired behavior:
* Set DENYTOPICVIEW =
* Set ALLOWTOPICVIEW =
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jastare you using TemplateLogin or ApacheLogin? (/bin/configure -> Security -> Login) [12:44]
mtr_Using TemplateLogin [12:53]
jastright. and you get an 'access denied' page? [12:53]
mtr_No the login page is just reloaded
Seems to be a redirect
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jastoh, right, not logged in [12:54]
mtr_yes [12:55]
ModAcOstDo you have restrictions on SystemWeb, WebLeftBar/BottomBar/TopBar/AnythingElseIncluded? [12:55]
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jastgah, perltidy
go die in a fire
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mtr_Set DENYWEBVIEW = WikiGuest
Set ALLOWWEBCHANGE = AdminGroup
Set ALLOWWEBRENAME = AdminGroup
und Set ALLOWTOPICCHANGE = AdminGroup => are set in System/WebPreferences
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jastwell, that was painful. but it's committed now. [13:37]
GithubBot[foswiki] FoswikiBot pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/UZxVQQ
foswiki/master 36d388e JanKrueger: Item12327: new signature system and general improvements...
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pharveyjast, perltidy is the fire that cleanses :P [13:49]
ModAcOstmtr_: if WikiGuest may not view your SystemWeb it can't view the WebLeftBar etc. thus prompting a login-screen
ModAcOst is a sinner
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jastperltidy is the fire that turn my nested array into a deformed nightmare
bah, kind of ruins the flow when you typo :(
original: http://dpaste.org/OOpGe/
after perltidy: http://dpaste.org/WHETh/
... yeah, a huge improvement
but svn.foswiki.org will only let me commit the latter
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mtr_Thanx! [13:54]
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jastthe best feature by far is that it forced me to remove some of the whitespace within the inner arrays that improves the alignment [13:54]
pharveyargh :/ [14:01]
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GithubBot[foswiki] FoswikiBot pushed 1 new commit to Release01x01: http://git.io/7a9slw
foswiki/Release01x01 2c747ef GeorgeClark: Item12347: Add missing dependency...
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jasthi gac410 [15:48]
gac410hi jast [15:48]
jastSafeWikiPlugin is updated in SVN in case you want to play with it [15:48]
gac410I saw the checkin pass by. [15:49]
jastright [15:49]
gac410Thanks for the heads up. Looks like you had some really extensive changs.
changes
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jastyeah...
I talked them through with CDot before I started, so I hope I'm in the clear ;)
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gac410Now that someone reported a missing dependency that I fixed ... I wonder if I need to do another RC for 1.1.7 :(
To honor the intent of release candidate, I suppose I must.
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jastaww, that's rough [15:50]
gac410Well it's not that big a deal. But should be done.
I suppose I really ought to rebuild using the right version string too, now that I hopefully understand perl version strings a bit more. 1.1.7 beta anything really should be version 1.1.6_nnn since 1.1.7 needs to be "newer" than it's beta/alpha releases.
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MichaelDaumhey george
what's your opinion about releasing UpdatesPlugin before foswiki-1.2.0 ... http://foswiki.org/Development/AddUpdatesPluginToDefaultRelease
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gac410TBH I don't actually like the plugin. But chose to remain quiet :) [16:34]
MichaelDaumhow can we make you like it :)
or would you like to veto against adding it to the core?
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gac410Mainly my concern is more that it's to easy to break a site by installing extensions. Too many incompatibilities.
And pushing new extensions to be more "in your face" to the admin, makes it easier to just click & break
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MichaelDaumthe other side of the coin is: there are far too many sites that dont upgrade at all, even the no-brainers. [16:37]
gac410I don't have any intention to "veto" ... not that I have a veto in the first place. So releasing it ahead of 1.2 is probably a good thing - to get more experience [16:38]
MichaelDaumy. thats what I thought as well. [16:38]
gac410Agreed. What we really need is a better way to classify extensions so the admin knows the "no brainers."
Some of your extensions on occasion have broken things, where the fix was to build from svn, and that's really bad.
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MichaelDaumthats because I am a lazy bastard [16:39]
gac410:) [16:39]
MichaelDaumthe only real help is people actually using stuff. [16:40]
gac410I don't like to bite the hands that are feeding the project, so remaining quiet was my approach.
yeah. The 1.1.7 release cycle has just been way too quiet. Almost no feedback which makes it hard for me to feel confident that I should release.
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MichaelDaumif we release more often problems would be less of a hassle having some foul eggs in the basket a few days [16:41]
gac410The process of upgrading a release is complex and hard enough that there is usually good testing. Extensions are so easy, that it encourages the quick update that breaks sites. I've done it to myself on too many occasions. [16:43]
MichaelDaumtrue [16:43]
gac410It's too large a temptation to just click Install. and not worry about it. [16:43]
MichaelDaumthat would speak against upgrade+install in configure [16:43]
gac410true. [16:44]
MichaelDaumand disable configure all together once the site is stable (security fixes only)
but we are not alone with this problem
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GithubBot[foswiki] FoswikiBot pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/43zY2Q
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MichaelDaumve seen lots of other products fighting with unstable plugins [16:45]
gac410I'd really like us to have some sort of extension classifications, to separate out the no-brainers, from the "use at your own risk"
yes indeed.
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MichaelDaumdepends on the content using a plugin's features
gotta run. reading logs. see ya.
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gac410see ya [16:45]
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Hi all ... any other last minute bug reports or feedback on Foswiki 1.1.7? I'll build hopefully the final RC - RC4 later today.
There was one more urgent issue reported with an undeclared dependency. That will be fixed in RC4. And if all goes well, we'll release 1.1.7 in a few days.
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GithubBot[foswiki] FoswikiBot pushed 3 new commits to Release01x01: http://git.io/vzXx9Q
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foswiki/Release01x01 3eafc00 GeorgeClark: Item12310: WebHome shows Foswiki release, not version....
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jimdawayGreetings. I have a question regarding the VirtualBox package for Foswiki. Is there someone that could help me out? [17:48]
gac410I'm not familiar with it Hopefully someone else online is. [17:50]
jimdawayThanks gac. If anyone else could help out, I have d/l and started the 1.1.5 version on a VirtualBox. All is good in that respect.
The root password given is "foswick" for root on the virtual machine but the authentication fails.
I am logged in as foswick@foswick. When I enter "su -" then "foswick" at the password, it says that is not correct.
foswiki, actually. Sorry.
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gac410Have you tried just hitting enter? [17:56]
jimdawayI have. [17:57]
gac410hm. I've never used the VirtualBox vm, so I really have no idea. [17:57]
jimdawayas well as "Root", "root", "foswiki", "Foswiki", "Password" and "password"... [17:58]
gac410Ah... try sudo instead of su
From Foswiki:Support/VirtualMachineImages ... If you need root access on your VM, you can use sudo.
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FoswikiBothttp://foswiki.org/Support/VirtualMachineImages [ VirtualMachineImages ] [18:02]
jimdawayHi gac. Yes, I found that and am using it but its a bit of a mission to get things done that way. The documentation for the setup
says that to access root on the virtualbox, the password should be "foswiki".
Just very frustrating that it isn't working. Or, I'm *very* wrong!
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gac410One trick is to "sudo su -
Then set a password
Where does it say the root password is foswiki?
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jimdawayDown near the bottom of http://foswiki.org/Support/HowToRunVirtualMachineImageOnVirtualBox [18:07]
gac410Okay. Were you able to set the password after "sudo su -" [18:08]
jimdawayBut, the "sudo su -" worked 100%
I sure was. I didn't even think of that. Thank you!
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gac410Do you want me to update the docs, or do you want to clarify them :) [18:08]
jimdawayIf you wouldn't mind doing it. I'm far from linux-conversant and I may provide some errant information.
I know just enough to be dangerous... :)
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gac410so where it says: Start the VM. In its console, log as root ... that should say "In its console, log in as foswiki. For root access, enter "sudo su -" " or something like that [18:10]
jimdawaySpot-on correct, I believe. [18:10]
gac410okay ... I'll fix it. [18:11]
jimdawayCool. Again, thank you very much for your help. It is greatly appreciated. [18:11]
gac410Some consider it good practice to never allow direct root login, always require the sudo path so the original user is logged. But TBH that can cause grief when you really truly need root, like single user mode. [18:11]
jimdawayTrue. I agree that root as the defualt isn't a good idea. I just like things to work as stated or I wonder what *I'm* doing wrong... ;) [18:13]
gac410You are right, the docs are much more helpful when they reflect reality. :)
Updated the docs at: http://foswiki.org/Support/HowToRunVirtualMachineImageOnVirtualBox#Option_2:_Host_Interface
[18:14]
jimdawayThat looks a lot better. Thanks again for doing that. I'm still very new at this and quite nervous about wading into the waters... [18:16]
gac410no problem. We're glad to help. [18:17]
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ChristyFmorning people..anyone here? [18:25]
gac410yes [18:26]
ChristyFhey
if i want foswiki to have access to a directory
on the server
lets say its a directory with images
how would i do that on the config? ... i tried adding a directory to the foswiki.conf
doesnt seem to wanna do it hmm
[18:30]
gac410What do you mean by "foswiki to access" You mean as attachments? Or through links in-topic? Or some %INCLUDE mechanism? [18:32]
ChristyFhmm
like lets say i have images in my harddrive c:/temp/images
i want to use those images in a topic ... inline
so i wanna do %IMAGE{c:/temp/image/image1.jpg}%
kind of thing like that
[18:32]
gac410Hm... And apache / foswiki ... is running on the same system [18:33]
ChristyFi know you can do it with attachements
yes
i would imagine it would be adding a directory to the foswiki.conf file...but the ways i have tried so far fails heh
[18:34]
gac410hm. There is code to make sure that access outside of Foswiki directories is prohibited. Fishing for files on the server is a big security hole. Extensions that need external files often load them in a sub-directory within pub. [18:35]
Babaryou want them to be displayed locally?
or through apache?
[18:35]
gac410yay Babar is here. :) [18:36]
Babarconsidering I'm still jetlagged, take my answers with a grain of salt :) [18:36]
***Babar sets mode: +oooo AndreU Colas ColasHome gac410
Babar sets mode: +oooo gmc Lynnwood SvenDowideit terceiro
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gac410oooo I earned a gold star [18:37]
Babarso, there are ways... some easy, some a bit more tricky, and some totally hacked which might brake
so let's take the easy path
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ChristyFthrough apache i believe..... the situation is like this....if you can view the website... you can access the svn we have setup... but it IMAGE doesnt like loading the image to display
but i can just paste the url for the svn file and it can be downloaded fine
[18:38]
Babaryou configure Apache to display files from a path on your server. To do that, at the top of your foswiki.conf, you add something like: Alias /ChristyFiles C:\temp\image \n <Directory "C:\temp\image"> ...
wait
if you put the SVN url it doesn't work?
oh... does the url end in an image suffix?
or is it something stupid like /svn.cgi?file=foo.jpg&rev=1234&branch=trunk
[18:39]
ChristyFwell one of the test images i was using was .tif [18:40]
Babaryou cannot display .tif inline [18:40]
ChristyFi get an error 401 saying u need authorization to view
hmm ill try with a different image let me see
.but that error hm
[18:41]
Babar401? Where do you get that?
normally, if you just put the URL in the topic, like http://localhost/svn/foo/bar.gif it should just do the right thing
(at least it did last time I tried :))
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ChristyFError: can't fetch image from '......./Figures/PIC_0001.JPG': 401 Authorization Required
i ...... the ips and what not hehe
its an https start
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GithubBot[foswiki] FoswikiBot pushed 1 new commit to Release01x01: http://git.io/TivzGw
foswiki/Release01x01 b3aa7c7 GeorgeClark: Item11267: $Rev filtering too aggressive...
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FoswikiBothttp://foswiki.org/Tasks/Item11267 [ Item11267: Migrate from subversion to git ] [18:43]
ChristyFError: can't fetch image from 'https:/.......n/Figures/PIC_0001.JPG': 401 Authorization Required [18:43]
Babaryou simply put the URL there? No %INCLUDE, %ICON or anything, right? [18:44]
ChristyFcorrect
i did %IMAGE{the urls}%
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Babarah no.
remove the tag. just https://.../Figures/PIC_0001.JPG no %IMAGE{ and no }%
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ChristyFoh wow... that worked... hmmm
bah stupid me...but i guess u wouldnt have size options for hte image hmm
but thanks! :D
[18:46]
Babarand it's still morning in Toronto?! [18:46]
ChristyF2pm
thinkin of gettin a coffee hehe
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Babaryes. You don't have size options. And if you want them... it might be a bit tricky because of this magic :) [18:47]
ChristyFhaha [18:47]
Babar'k. 'cause you said 'morning people' half an hour ago, so I was confused :) [18:48]
ChristyFi dont wanna know :S
:)
i was at doctors this morning and my day is just starting
so it was morning for me :P
[18:48]
Babarfair enough
my mornings are very flexible lately
slept from 10pm to 1:30am, and then 5:30 to 10am last night, so hard to say what was morning
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GithubBot[foswiki] FoswikiBot pushed 1 new commit to Release01x01: http://git.io/jFYQLQ
foswiki/Release01x01 6824c69 GeorgeClark: Item12310: Update release notes...
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FoswikiBothttp://foswiki.org/Tasks/Item12310 [ Item12310: Documentation updates for 1.1.7 ] [18:58]
gac410So 1.1.7-RC4 will go out with lucky 13 fixes. Any other urgent tasks we need to pick up for 1.1.7 - to keep the Triskaidekaphobes happy? [19:00]
Babaras 1.1.6-004 ? :) [19:10]
gac410Actually 1.1.6_005. I'll still increment the alpha revisionl.
Actually was pondering the auto-build releases. wondering about using a _nnnnnn "build number" but then it would mean each auto-build updates Foswiki.pm
Probably not a good idea, but it's a thought.
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Babarautobuild already updates Foswiki.pm, iirc
or it used to, as it used to have $Rev$, didn't it?
[19:18]
gac410It updates it, but does not check it in. So you need an external counter like the $Rev$.
I was thinking that it could check it in, so that the next build can increment it.
[19:19]
Babarwait...
WHAT?
[19:20]
gac410But it would get er.. exciting .. if the auto build process was incrementing a field a the same time the RM was trying to keep it stable :) [19:20]
Babarthat sonds like a receipe for disaster to me. [19:20]
gac410yes indeed. As I said. ... pondering it, but probably not a good idea.
It could be a _yyyymmdd but still "formal" betas. alphas, would have to slot into there somehow.
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ChristyF:O! [19:58]
gac410Darn... looks like 1.1.7 unit tests are failing. "undefined variable" in compare Maybe the fix to Item12337. Might be a unit test issue though as users report the fix works. [20:07]
FoswikiBothttp://foswiki.org/Tasks/Item12337 [ Item12337: Item11755 added an undocumented dependency on CPAN:HTML::TreeBuilder >= 4.0 ] [20:07]
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foswiki_irc3ugh... myself is laggig out [20:59]
Babarindeed ChristyF :) [21:04]
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mttrIn a fresh foswiki installation on current ubuntu server, with perl + modules installed, apache configured etc, when calling configure, only the perl code is shown in the browser. How can I solve that problem? [21:40]
ChristyFin configure? [21:49]
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SvenDowideithttp://learn.breezejs.com/
i wonder how simple it would be to make something like that for foswiki
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gac410jast, the fix for Compare doesn't work if $Foswiki::cfg{Site}{CharSet} is undefined. Unit tests caught it.
Any ideas what to do when the character set is undefined?
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jastI didn't even know that that was a thing
according to Foswiki.spec I suppose it should default to iso-8859-1
[23:47]
gac410Hm... maybe not an issue. configure always defaults to a setting.
So the issue is the pseudo-install default configuration.
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jastFoswiki.spec doesn't specify an initial value, btw [23:49]
gac410I think the checker provides one. [23:49]
jastin any case, iso-8859-1 is a semi-reasonable fallback to use [23:49]
gac410As configure sets a default in the checker, probably reasonable to update the default pseudo-install -A configuration ... I'll see what happens. [23:50]

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