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SvenDowideitpharvey, my initial plack adventures were simple and nice
i've still not got a windows box to do more on it
and uwiki is rocking my boat
i'm completely and utterly weirded out by the pointlessness of server code
Babar, unit test server - y, i'm thinking of turning them off again, as they don't seem to add anything
SvenDowideit is currently talking to a company about a foswiki->sharepoint conversion - and worse, it sounds like a good idea for them
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GithubBot[foswiki] FoswikiBot pushed 2 new commits to Release01x01: http://git.io/68QyEw
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pharveySvenDowideit, turning off test server? Bah.
SvenDowideit: editors are eating RDF tags? Or RDFa?
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gac410How do we handle copyrights? - should we update all foswiki copyrights to 2013? Or do they get updated only when a file is updated? [03:54]
pharveyIf I think of it, I update the copyright to the current year when I'm in that file working on it
and, IANACL, but I doubt you can arbitrarily extend a copyright notice where the only change has been an amendment to the copyright notice
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gac410Yeah that's my general approach as well, update when edited. [04:02]
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SvenDowideitpharvey, i need a word that covers microdata, microformat, rdf rdfa rdfa-lite etc
though initially, i am just poking rdfa-lite - but mostly i don't care to see a difference
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pharveyOk. So I was just curious if the editor was eating tags, or just the attributes [04:40]
SvenDowideiti'm working under the premise that html templates ala mustash etc are un-necessary
and instead creating sematically useful html
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pharveyBack around 2010, it seemed easier to kludge TinyMCE into playing nicer with RDFa when using XHTML than not, but that's like... 50 years ago by now [04:42]
SvenDowideitie, the users create static html that has hints that the 'tool' then uses to create the indecies that are then used to make querys possible
for now, mercury editor is the most enjoyable
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pharveydid I mention TRIN did some nasty prototype/cooked-demos of this sort of thing? :P [04:43]
SvenDowideityes
and it shits me to tears
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pharveynobody cared in the end, for the specific use-case we had in mind [04:43]
SvenDowideithehe
i did the svn submodule init crap you told me
its not enough
its been doing nothing for months
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pharveyI have committed many sins [04:44]
SvenDowideitSvenDowideit hand kicked it last night on a whim to git submodule checkout master and submodule git pull
and surprisingly, it now actually updates!
like >doh< - i didn't engauge the brain last time
y - backing up the trin data
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pharveycool [04:45]
SvenDowideitSvenDowideit goes to the other channel .. [04:45]
gac410Now that the CVE is public. ... the original reporter pointed out that Foswiki-Announce has public archives so the "private posting" was pretty public.
Same situation over at t-land
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SvenDowideitSvenDowideit says nothing >:} [04:46]
pharveythat's always been the case, right? I assumed "public" means creating an CVE/mitre thingy [04:46]
gac410well in theory we should announce to a very closed community, so that the search engines don't pick it up and index it. [04:47]
SvenDowideityes, we sort of assume that the concept of privatly emailing all admins of an open source project is a joke [04:47]
pharveyall the security/newsfeeds in the world seem to pick up on it the second the CVE is made [04:48]
gac410Only thing I can think of is Foswiki-Announce should maybe be "private" archives, so we can mail the list without a fully public posting.
Y, bit the CVE contents is all masked on mitre ... it only shows a place holder. So you can find out something is there, but not what, or who
Hm... I don't think mailman can easily do that. Now that I think about it, I recall it being complicated to restrict archives. Never mind.
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SvenDowideiti've never thought it worth it
but then, i side more on linus' side of security mystiqu
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gac410y, I agree, just figured original poster deserved due consideration :)
gac410 has been struggling mightily to migrate my old gentoo web server to Debian stable. So much stuff is just different. And quite a bit of software is very old. Luckily I found backports.
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SvenDowideitwhy do you want to debian?
SvenDowideit suggests that if debian is too old for you
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gac410At least backports got my list server up to Jan 2011. [04:56]
SvenDowideitthen you should change to debian testing
i only run debian stable on my file/mail/wiki server
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gac410Figured I'd try stable, as everyone seems reasonably positive on it.
But I'm downgrading postfix, apache, perl, mysql, ... to get there. :P
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SvenDowideitbegs the question - what was wong with gentoootot [04:59]
gac410compile takes a long time. And I have to move to a new box anyway, Old server and disks are getting very tired.
Trying a vm on ESXi ... see how it goes.
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pharveyI thought gentoo had binary packages too? [05:01]
gac410well, yes, sort of. But generally only useful for popular packages, I take firefox-bin for ex on my server. (Not that I should even have a browser installed). But the new server will be headless
No sense using gentoo if you are just going to take the binaries.
:)
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SvenDowideitsleep well :) [05:04]
gac410I needed imagemagick to get the "identify" command and it pulled in all of X from what I could see. :P With gentoo I could just emerge it without the X use flag.
g'night
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jastMichaelDaum: morning! yesterday, while you weren't here, gac410 suggested adding more auto-ops to the channel in case of disasters when the current ones aren't here and didn't op anyone else. if you feel like adding more people, gac410 might be a reasonable candidate. [09:38]
MichaelDaumhi jast. good idea.
will do ... if only I remembered how ...
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jastfor example: /msg chanserv flags #foswiki gac410 +OoirRtA (sample flags; /msg chanserv help flags to see other flags and descriptions)
perhaps sven/pharvey, too, if they aren't already on the list
you can view the current list by omitting the nick/flags parameters
in fact you can even grant flags to *!*@foswiki/developer/* IIRC
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MichaelDaumdone [09:51]
jastyay :) [09:51]
Vampire0Hi, I have downloaded an XML JQueryChili recipe. Can anyone tell me how I enable this now that I stored it to the recipes directory in the foswiki installation? [09:55]
MichaelDaumVampire0, unfortunately there's no drop in way to do it. still requires editing some js files.
here's how to do it
copy it to <foswiki-dir>/pub/System/JQueryPlugin/plugins/chili/recipes/
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Vampire0there it is [09:58]
MichaelDaumedit <foswiki-dir>/pub/System/JQueryPlugin/plugins/chili/jquery.chili.init.uncompressed.js
add xml to the regex in there
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Vampire0check [09:59]
MichaelDaumbefore: re = /^.*\b(bash|cplusplus|csharp|css|delphi|html|java|js|lotusscript|php-f|php|recipes|sql|tml)\b.*$/;
after: re = /^.*\b(bash|cplusplus|csharp|css|delphi|html|java|js|lotusscript|php-f|php|recipes|sql|tml|xml)\b.*$/;
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Vampire0check
(I'm a coder myself :-) )
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MichaelDaumnow set the FOSWIKI_ROOT env variable to your <foswiki-dir> path
export FOSWIKI_ROOT=<foswiki-dir>
check ;)
then type make to rebuild jquery.chili.init.js and ...js.gz
done
from where do you have the xml recipe?
are there more usefule ones?
how about we add them to JQueryPlugin?
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Vampire0http://blog.bayestech.com/?p=7
You'd have to check with the author, but sounds like a good plan :-)
Hm, do I need a JDK or is a JRE sufficient for the JS compilation?
http://foswiki.org/Main/DanGlassman also lists three additional recipes
python autolisp and ini
I guess there are way more out there in the wild
I just searched for an XML one as I needed it right now
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MichaelDaumyes you'll need a jre for the minifier
oh cool will add them all
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Vampire0I guess you will find many more by googling around a bit.
How the quality is, is a different question. :-D
maybe it also makes sense to document how to add a recipe on the JQueryChili page
btw. I followed your steps, but it is not yet working :-
zipping jquery.chili.init.js to jquery.chili.init.js.gz
but nothing changed
or is this a browser cache issue now
?
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MichaelDaumcould be
check that you did not end up with a zero bytes js file while calling make
you'll need to clean that up, install a jdk and run make again then.
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Vampire0ah, you're right
jre is enough, no jdk needed, but the first mis-try seems to have broken the file
maybe the makefile can check availability of java before starting its work?
after deleting the file, rebuilding it and giving the correct ownership (from root to www-data) it works great :-)
thanks for your help, this should definitely be documented :-)
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MichaelDaumwill tinker the recipe a bit to remove the boldness [10:13]
Vampire0btw. can't the regex just match everything in recipes subfolder? Why so restrictive to actual files? [10:14]
MichaelDaumhighlighting is done via <verbatim class="recipe-name">...</verbatim>
without a check for a valid recipe name, it would try to download one unconditionally
for instance <verbatim class="foswikiHidden">....</verbatim> is commonly used to hide away code on the page.
without checking the recipe, it would 404 trying to download a foswikiHidden.js recipe
its a wiki, so people type everything.
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Vampire0hm, not too wrong
ah, i see, the regex is checked on the client of course
so you also cannot build it dynamically depending on the files in the folder
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MichaelDaum:)
it would make things easier with some Makefile rule.
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Vampire0but you could get make to build the regex from the files present in the recipe folder, so you don't have to manually modify the regex at least [10:22]
MichaelDaumsnap [10:22]
Vampire0:-) [10:22]
MichaelDaumpeople here on foswiki arent much into Makefiles. so I decided to keep it simple. [10:23]
Vampire0or you could have a perl script that dynamically lists the contents of the folder and use that or something like that.
Not sure how it would fit in the architecture
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MichaelDaumfoswiki has got its own build environment called BuildContrib
which doesnt make things more comfortable in all cases
where Makefiles are much easier to extend
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jastmy build.pl for CKEditorPlugin is almost 300 lines [10:27]
Vampire0This didn't relate to my comment about dynamically building the list of recipes, did it? If so I think I misunderstood [10:28]
MichaelDaumVampire0, nono, easy peasy.
jast, I already knew you are a hero.
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jastmore pain than heroism, really [10:30]
Vampire0:-) [10:35]
mmoHi Guys, maybe someone can help me with the following problem: I edit my topics using vi as Wikitext. Other Users edit my Pages with the WYSIWYG editor. In this case they destroying all my formattings. Is there a possibility to avoid, that the wiki doesn't create my source code reformatted? [10:48]
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MichaelDaumMichaelDaum tried PlainFileStoreContrib ... and gave up on it again
too bad
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jastwhat's the problem? [12:11]
MichaelDaumhttp://foswiki.org/Tasks/Item12395
tainted strings being used in file operations all over the place
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jastI wonder how that didn't get caught [12:18]
MichaelDaumlocale die-hards [12:18]
jastyou mean it fails without locale but not without?
err, s/without/with/
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MichaelDaumI guess they disabled -T for the sake of locales ... and missed the tainted strings in file ops in PFS [12:19]
jastI mean, pretty much everything fails with locale :)
oh, right
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padraig_lennonHi all.. Been a long time since I was online.. Getting back to foswiki development. Have a quick question
AND Server_OS=~"OperatingSystem1|OperatingSystem15" How do I stop OperatingSystem10 or OperatingSystem1* from matching in a SEARCH?
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jastyou probably want to anchor it to start/end of string: [12:28]
padraig_lennonI tried adding a $ and \$ but neither work. [12:28]
jastServer_OS=~'^OperatingSystem(1|15)$'
well, | divides everything
so OS1|OS15$ means the same as "matches 'OS1' or 'OS15$'"
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padraig_lennonjast.. Still not working for me. I'll keep at it. I did try with the | to no avail..
Thanks btw
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jastwell, I mean OS1|OS15$ should actually be (OS1|OS15)$ [12:33]
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GithubBot[foswiki] FoswikiBot pushed 1 new commit to Release01x01: http://git.io/s76uKg
foswiki/Release01x01 e6f9064 GeorgeClark: Item12391: Check for bad Locale::Maktext versions...
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MichaelDaumgac410, I was experimenting with a parser for the maketext params, only accepting certain methods in bracket notation. [13:40]
gac410Hi MichaelDaum yeah I was thinking about that. It would improve our maketext implementaiton to formally allow quant, etc [13:41]
MichaelDaumright [13:41]
gac410MakeText also does that filtering and pharvey added a checker to warn if vulnerable MT is installed. [13:41]
MichaelDaumhere's a simple validator http://foswiki.org/Tasks/Item12391 [13:42]
gac410I'd just "filter in" ... permit quant, *, numf, and ... hm.. whatever [13:42]
MichaelDaumthat's what I have so far [13:42]
gac410I'm hesitant to add that to 1.1.8, but it's a good trunk addition. With the escaping fix, anything except * is prevented anyway. [13:43]
MichaelDaumthe numf, sprintf, quant things are really nifty [13:43]
gac410y, but adding that to 1.1.8 imo adds risk to the fix. [13:43]
MichaelDaumtrue
what I don't like is all this escaping
makes wrinting maketexts hell
here's what I'd propose:
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gac410really? the ~[ only means that you have a way of inserting [ into maketext
You would still need the escaping.
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MichaelDaumimplement a new %TRANSLATE makro that stripps out all of the yadda wrt access keys n stuff
and make it as compatible as possible to Locale::Maketext input
then add two new features to %TRANSLATE
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gac410Would we loose "accessibility" features by removing the access keys? [13:46]
MichaelDaum(1) inline translations like %TRANSLATE{"Here comes my wiki app string" de="foo" en="bar"}% [13:47]
jastaccessibility-friendly browsers tend to generate their own access keys as a fallback
but it would probably break backward compatibility on that layer
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MichaelDaum(2) [quant,numf,sprintf,numbers...] support [13:47]
gac410MichaelDaum: definitely a trunk enhancement. Needs a feature proposal though :D [13:48]
MichaelDaumand (3) splitargs: make the char to split the args="..." string configurable
so you'd be able to have a comma in side an arg
... which is n/a in %MAKETEXT
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gac410Anything that hurts accessibility, even indirectly, would be bad. We've lost at least one site due to accessibility requirements. [13:49]
MichaelDaumI'll let a %TRANSLATE makro mature inside a MultiLingualPlugin to see where we get with that.
example use case:
%TRANSLATE{"Found [quant,_1,document,documents,nothing]" de="Habe [quant,_1,Dokument,Dokumente, nichts] gefunden" args="%URLPARAM{"found" default="0"}%"}%
%TRANSLATE{"[numf,_1]" args="10000"}%
%TRANSLATE{"[sprintf,%.2F,_1]" args="10000"}%
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gac410I'd still suggest a feaure proposal. See if you can draw some additional suggestions on translations. Also is Locale::Maketext even the right solution, there are more modern ones now. [13:52]
MichaelDaumand even %TRANSLATE{"$percntINCLUDE{\"WebHomeDefault\"}$percnt" de="$percntINCLUDE{\"WebHomeDE\"}$percnt"}%
to display different topcis based on the current language
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gac410Y, it would be nice to merge in some of the TopicTranslationsPlugin features into a more universal multi-language support. [13:54]
MichaelDaumthat's what I am about in MultiLingualPlugin
there's lots of stuff in TPP that is, erm, cruft.
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gac410This is all not really my area of expertise. unfortunately I'm rather languages challenged. [13:54]
MichaelDaumbesides TPP not using the interface language detection of the core
and the redirect stuff is more of a pain than use
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gac410All: Foswiki:Support.SecurityAlert-CVE-2013-1666 is now public [13:56]
FoswikiBothttp://foswiki.org/Support.SecurityAlert-CVE-2013-1666 [ SecurityAlert-CVE-2013-1666 ] [13:56]
MichaelDaumgac410, with regards to release announcements [13:57]
gac410Any last minute **SMALL** **LOW RISK** fixes to Release01x01 branch ... I'm planning on a very short test cycle for 1.1.8 [13:57]
MichaelDaumplease use blog.foswiki.org for the primary location of those announcements, and let the mailing list note point to it.
otherwise we dont have any proper online reference to the release announcements
the sourceforce ml archive simply doesnt cut it
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gac410I **really** don't want to get into a which blog is right blog argument, so I chose to NOT blog and leave all that to the marketing team. [13:58]
MichaelDaumwhat do you think?
do you think that is not lame?
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jastwhich marketing team [13:59]
MichaelDaumjust use any blog. imho preferably blog.foswiki.org [13:59]
gac410Yes it's lame, but I'm not letting the RM role become a RM&M role. [13:59]
MichaelDaumjust paste your prose into the blog. where's the problem.
same to anybody else: please blog.
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gac410I find I can very easily take on too much, I want some others involved. If I do it, others won't step up. :P [14:00]
jastgive me an account on b.f.o and I'll do it as I become aware of important events [14:00]
MichaelDaumjast, okay. wait a sec.
done. email with passwd on its way. please change it :)
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jastcheers [14:03]
MichaelDaumthanks [14:03]
gac410Thanks jast [14:03]
MichaelDaumstill: I find it important to drive people to the blog via the ml announcement. [14:05]
jastdang, that's a nice password [14:05]
gac410I've found it's too easy to fall into the "I'll just do it" trap. It encourages personal burnout, and discourages others from participation. Been there done that, have the war wounds. [14:05]
MichaelDaumI was under the impression that it was just a matter of swapping channels, not duplicating work.
and in the past
blogging about releases has _always_ been an afterthought at best ... which is really bad.
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jastwhat's the concept for the blog, anyway [14:07]
MichaelDaum"concept"? [14:07]
jastrelease announcements, event announcements... anything else? [14:07]
MichaelDaumjust be loud [14:08]
jastokay
new post: LOL FOSWIKI 4 PREZ
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MichaelDauma good mix is best. there's nothing more boring than corporate blogs full of press releases and event announcements.
the single most important message to get from the blog is:
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jastcould do stuff like talking about current development plans, exploring things that can be done with foswiki (mini tutorials or something) [14:09]
MichaelDaumfoswiki rox
jast, right on. cool. will definitely read it.
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jastwell, that's just thoughts [14:09]
gac410The only thing I'd stay FAR away from is any comments about T*. ... Let's leave that um.. history ... as history [14:09]
jastI can't promise I'll have the time to be a one-man marketing machine :)
yeah, sure
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gac410Next step. I'll be sending the CVE to bugtraq, etc.
They got a patch release out ahead of us for this latest, but I want to make sure we pick up a good SSL email patch.
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MichaelDaumis the sec alert ready to be tweeted? [14:13]
gac410I thing so MichaelDaum. If you want, make a quick review, I'm about to cut/paste into an email for the public lists. [14:14]
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foswiki_irc5Hi everyone. New user here looking for a bit of help. Trying to install ClassificationPlugin and get the following error message: "Use of uninitialized value $tweb in length at /var/www/foswiki/lib/Foswiki/Configure/Package.pm line 1328, <$fh> line 248." [14:25]
jastoh boy [14:26]
gac410foswiki_irc5: which release of foswiki? [14:26]
jastwhat version of foswiki is that? [14:26]
foswiki_irc5I believe it's 1.1.7. Downloaded it a couple of weeks ago.
"Foswiki-1.1.7, Plugin API version 2.2"
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gac410I'll give it a try here... hang on [14:29]
foswiki_irc5thank you :) [14:29]
gac410recreated. Hm... So either a manifest problem or a bug in Package.pm :(
wtf... it's sticking stuff in pub directory without a Web/Topic structure.
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MichaelDaumnot that I know [14:36]
jastcan't see anything wrong with the MANIFEST [14:36]
gac410yes. pub/Applications/twb.js No Web/Topic in that path [14:36]
MichaelDaumthat's WikiWorkbenchContrib [14:37]
jastweird, I don't see that in the MANIFEST
ohh
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MichaelDaumso that's not allowed? [14:38]
jastright, I remember having a similar issue at some point
probably just ended up not installing it
no, it's not
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MichaelDaumthats new [14:38]
jastnot in configure [14:38]
MichaelDaumbtw I never had problems before with configure and WWC [14:38]
gac410Extension installer can't handle that. And I don't think it's an easy fix. It's been that way in configure for a long time. [14:38]
MichaelDaumI'll fix that in WWC. this is a legacy js anyway.
not used anymore.
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jastwas added in Jan 2011
(the restriction)
of course it shouldn't actually die
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gac410I agree. If I add a "defined $tweb" to the test, then it will fall through and skip the file with a warning,
But I'm not sure that's a solution either, for the user who wants to install the exstension.
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MichaelDaumany task item in place already? [14:41]
foswiki_irc5@MichaelDaum: Not sure what you mean by task item. [14:42]
jastit should probably skip the file and yell at the user to yell at the developer [14:42]
MichaelDaumworking on it. just a sec. [14:42]
gac410hm. adding a "defined $tweb" code says it will send a message, but it doesn't Must be getting lost somewhere.
Well, yes it does. But it's a subtle warning
Unable to identify attachment pub/Applications/twb.js name or location - file will be bypassed
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jastit's hard to output a non-subtle warning in the installer [14:45]
gac410Actually that validation should be done in BuildContrib, so a bad package can't be built in the first place. [14:45]
jastyou could argue it should be done in both; after all, BuildContrib is optional, strictly speaking [14:46]
gac410Yes, Package should definitely not crash. I'll pull that fix into 1.1.8 [14:46]
jastcool [14:46]
MichaelDaumfoswiki_irc5, a fixed WikiWorkbenchContrib is now available [14:49]
gac410And I'll check this fix (after tidy) into 1.1.8 (And similar fix for the topic name.)
- unless ( length($tweb) > 0
+ unless ( defined $tweb && defined $ttopic && defined $tattach && length($tweb) > 0
MichaelDaum: did you create a task?
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MichaelDaum... for the wwc only :/ [14:51]
gac410:P [14:51]
MichaelDaum:O [14:51]
foswiki_irc5@MichaelDaum: Cool, what is WikiWorkbenchContrib - is that an extension that I should update? [14:51]
gac410Okay. I'll open a task. [14:51]
MichaelDaumfoswiki_irc5, it broke your installer due to a bad file in its manifest
WikiWorkbenchContrib is a framework for large scale wiki apps
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foswiki_irc7Hello all! How I can upgrade 1.0.10 to 1.1.7? [14:52]
foswiki_irc5Gotcha. I'll update it and play some more. Thank you for your help, @MichaelDaum and everyone! [14:52]
MichaelDaumyou are welcome [14:53]
gac410foswiki_irc7 That's a BIG topic. Have you read through the upgrade guide?
Foswiki/System.UpgradeGuide
er. Foswiki:System.UpgradeGuide
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FoswikiBothttp://foswiki.org/System.UpgradeGuide [ UpgradeGuide ] [14:54]
foswiki_irc7Thanks, @gac410. [14:59]
gac410foswiki_irc7 ... be sure to read it in detail. Following the "quick summmary" will get you in trouble. 1.0.x -> 1.1.x is really a re-install and migration
Though if you have not customized a lot, the migration is pretty simple.
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okay... back to my security announcement :P [15:09]
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foswiki_irc5@MichaelDaum, is there some sort of "getting started" guide for ClassificationPlugin? [15:29]
MichaelDaumnope
but here's how to get things going
create a new web using the _ClassificationTemplate template web
to create a Knowledge web
this well will have all means to create ClassifiedTopics and Category topics to establish your taxonomy
^this well^this web
note
edit experience will be best using NatEditContrib
as categories and tags are placed in separate tabs next to the edit area
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gac410Security alert on CVE-2013-1666 has been sent to the public mailing lists If your system has Internationalization enabled, it is urgent to get it patched. [16:14]
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CDotgac410: Thanks George. Good work. :-) [17:12]
gac410Thanks CDot
I want to get 1.1.8 done by the end of the week. I'll be tied up rest of today & Wednesday, then I'll get on it.
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foswiki_irc7I upgraded to Foswiki-1.0.10 Foswiki version v1.1.7 (http://foswiki.org/System.Упградегуиде). But the fonts, background colors changed. How can I transfer the style? [17:20]
padraig_lennonping MichaelDaum [17:21]
foswiki_irc7ups, i used http://foswiki.org/System.UpgradeGuide [17:21]
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TheDersI recently installed the latest FOS Wiki on RHEL6. We currently have 1.1.5 on RHEL5 and we basically want to copy all the users and replicate the settings on the old server. what are the best steps to go about this?
Do I install all the Plugins I want first?
and then go about /bin/configure or LocalSite.cfg - for configurations
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pharveymorning gac410 [23:06]
gac410evening pharvey [23:07]
pharveyhow did your data recovery go? I'm feeling adventurous, using btrfs on my new ssd :D
I have a bunch windows VMs where cp --reflink Base.vdi Foo.vdi saves a bunch of space
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gac410it was fine. Drive was having power management issues - kept stalling. dd if=/dev/sdaN of=/dev/sdbN bs=16M conv=noerror and all went fine. [23:09]
pharveyI see [23:10]
gac410momentus xt 500G hybrid drive
it was really annoying - scrolling in browser, irc, etc. all would pause a couple of seconds with drive light on solid, and it kept making squawk noises when the heads kept parking.
Found other complaining in forums. so seems not to be an isolated issue.
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pharveyouch
I need to find a reliable way to disable the utterly worthless touchpad on my x230
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gac410funny thing was I even used htparm to disable APM, and smartctl didn't report any spinup counts, no errors. [23:12]
pharveythere's a KDE and Gnome config applet thing but waking up from sleep, it's enabled again
firmware bug? Or the vendor thought they new better than standards?
knew*
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gac410yeah touchpads are annoying much prefer the trackpoint.
no idea. The new drive is identical bought both at the same time.
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pharveyErgh. Message from my monitoring server: "Server <monitoring server> is unreachable"
I hate computers today
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gac410btw fixed a typo in your checker. release01x01 used a different variable for accumulating warnings. [23:14]
pharveyoops :} [23:14]
gac410:) Only showed up when I used perlbrew to test with a vulnerable locale::Maketext
SvenDowideit: Question http://foswiki.org/Support/Question1252 ... missing package in debian repo ?
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pharveyoh dear. I think I've spotted another mistake in my checker code
version => '>=$maketext_minver'
that's not how you interpolate a string
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gac410whooops. well nows the time to fix it. Probably building 1.1.8 maybe late this week.
seemed to detect a bad version okay. I didn't test on a fixed version.
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pharveyworks-accidentally [23:22]
gac410:) [23:22]
TheDersis it poor practice to copy over the .htpasswd file from 1.1.5 to 1.1.7?
is it better to start the Users list from scratch?
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gac410no, that should be fine, actually that's recommended. [23:25]
TheDersoh ok [23:25]
pharveythere's no need to start a brand new .htpasswd file [23:25]
TheDersas for the Users
do I copy over all the WikiUsers text files?
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gac410No definitely not. You should certainly be able to move between releases without touching user database.
Yes. You should be able to use your existing Main web.
It's the System web that has the code that we update.
Well... System, templates, lib, ...etc. But Main and other user webs are fine to keep.
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TheDersok
ty
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gac410yw [23:26]
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TheDersshould I install all the plugins I used in the previous Wiki before copying over Data and Pub folders? lots of the pages we built utilized the extra Plugins we installed [23:28]
pharveysure
but the Foswiki project as a rule tries to make it so that you should be able to upgrade-in-place
using the special upgrade release tarballs
so the normal procedure would be to just take a backup and then extract the upgrade.tgz on top of the existing 1.1.x installation
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gac410Foswiki:System/UpgradeGuide has details of upgrades, even moving from TWiki to Foswiki. But a simple move from 1.1.5 to 1.1.7 should be very easy to do. [23:31]
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gac410Exactly... just un-tar on top of the existing install.
the Foswiki-upgrade-1.1.7.tgz file.
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pharveyYou can't use the Foswiki-upgrade-X.Y.Z.tgz tarballs if you're doing a minor/major upgrade (Eg. from 1.0.10 -> 1.1.7) but 1.1.5 -> 1.1.7 should be fine [23:33]
gac410tar -xzf --strip-components 1 Foswiki-upgrade-1.1.7.tgz will un-tar, and strip off the first directory, so you can do that from the root of a foswiki installation.
Note that 1.1.7 has a new dependency.. Need "version" from CPAN
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