#foswiki 2014-03-11,Tue

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JennyKollaI want to install a new Skin, but in configure-> Extensions there is no button "Find More Extensions". Now I want to install with the perl installer, but in the folder working/configure is no pkgdate. Do you know why there isn't the folder pkgdata with the X509UserPlugin_installer?? [07:58]
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CDotJennyKolla: that's very confusing. You want to install a skin? What does that have to do with the X509UserPlugin?
The "Find more extensions" button appears to have been renamed "Install, Update and Remove Extensions". It's on the "Extensions" tab in configure.
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JennyKollaahhh, ok. thanks. [09:26]
andreliHello.
How do I go about if I would like to have EditTable like UI but get lines added at the top of the table?
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CDotandreli: You can add rows anywhere with EditRowPlugin, if that helps. [09:42]
andreli1CDot: Do EditRowPlugin and EditTablePlugin work side by side?
Following a core developers recommendation we installed EditTablePlugin!
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CDotno; EditRowPlugin replaces the functions of TablePlugin
it's an almost-entirely-ajax editor
I mean it replaces EditTablePlugin
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andreli1CDot: we were evaluating EditRowPlugin, see http://irclogs.foswiki.org/bin/irclogger_log/foswiki?date=2012-06-20,Wed&sel=670#l666
has anything changed in regard to the utf8 dependency?
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CDotdoubt it - I haven't touched the code in a while. You can check in the Tasks web (Tasks/EditRowPlugin) [09:51]
andreliCDot: Thanks, but it look we stay with EditTablePlugin for now. [09:53]
CDotlooks like nobody has ever reported a problem with UTF-8, so I wouldn't have fixed it.
EditTablePlugin is certainly more mature (i.e. it's been around longer). ERP is in use in a number of sites using iso-8859-1, but they are all native-English sites.
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JennyKollaHello I have integrated NatSkin. But there is the error "Warning: your browser isn't supported. Please install a modern one, like Firefox, Opera, Safari, Chrome or the latest Internet Explorer. Thank you! " I don't know why, because I try it with Internet Explorer 10 and Mozilla Firefox [10:19]
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foswiki_irc6hello all,
were considering using foswiki in my organization, I'd guess we might get about 8000 people a day, tops, using the software - any ideas what quality server would be needed?
Links to examples would be great. : ) I'm not a computer wiz.
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CDot8,000 people? Or 800 hits? Viewing, or editing? If it's just viewing, you can use the various caches and that much reduces the need for a powerful server. If it's 8,000 people constantly hitting the server to do edits, then you're going to need something a bit beefier. [13:40]
MichaelDaumfoswiki_irc6, you'll need a server with enough RAM and CPUs. A corporate intranet is okay on a 8GB 4 CPUs box. But more helps more.
consider using putting the server onto an SSD disk large enough to hold all data.
the other considerations are more in tweaking Foswiki using other search engines. I'd recommend using SolrPlugin.
the current stable release 1.1.9 has got some performance problems which could be hot-fixed to get back to sub-second view times on System.WebHome ... which is not the case OOTB
Foswiki 1.2.0 ... which we hopefully will be able to release with the next weeks (fingers crossed) has even more performance fixes in the store.
1.2.0 will also come with a much improvede page cache
see it in action at http://demo.michaeldaumconsulting.com
this is the baseline for an enterprise foswiki as I am selling it to customers
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foswiki_irc6thanks for all the answers! sorry was out for a while [13:54]
MichaelDaumtststs ;) [13:55]
foswiki_irc6its a community - they will be both editing and viewing, but Im guessing probably one edit for every 15 views or something is probable...
@MichaelDaum I think an 8GB 4 CPU's box could be a good starting point for us - the question is, if we need to move the foswiki to a new server, is it just a matter of moving
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MichaelDaumdepends on what you installed on it [14:00]
foswiki_irc6a directory tree, or are there other issues when moving to a better server*?
ok, beside the foswiki software you mean?
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MichaelDaumif you have SolrPlugin with it then it is definitely more
if you are using vmware, well, then it is a matter of cloning all of the machine/image
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foswiki_irc6I think we will be installing on a linux machine [14:02]
MichaelDaumyes of course :) [14:03]
foswiki_irc6do we still need vmware in that case? [14:03]
MichaelDaumno. either do a bare-metal-install, or onto a virtual machine. [14:03]
foswiki_irc6ok, good, so with an install on a linux machine, and without SolrPlugin, moving the wiki would not be too much of a hassle? [14:05]
MichaelDaumno that's relatively simple. [14:05]
foswiki_irc6ok, good - thanks loads for answering all this - could you give an example of a situation where I might want SolrPlugin? [14:06]
MichaelDaumfoswiki's build-in search is only applicable for simple wikis without much content where you rarely do queries on content at all.
in a corporate environment with lots of people and lots of content, solr is a must have.
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CDot... unless you use DBIStoreContrib, which uses an SQL server to cache the data and delivers SQL server query performance.
MichaelDaum: :-P ;-)
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MichaelDaumCDot, sure. but solr does more than %SEARCH. for one it indexes attachments like office documents.
the best feature of solr is actually its faceted search interface. facets are used to further drill down search results based on what you have so far.
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CDotindeed it does. And I use it for full-text searches. But for data queries, DBIStoreContrib is the way to go for big installs. [14:11]
MichaelDaumsolr is able to sort results by relevance, something not available in sql. [14:12]
CDotanyways, either is a valid approach. You can buy into the MD Consulting infrastructure and it's many powerful extensions, or you can stay vanilla and accelerate what comes out of the box. Your choice. [14:12]
foswiki_irc6ok, so you need it when the web gets big enough that people are searching instead of looking in the item list? [14:12]
MichaelDaumfoswiki_irc6, right. [14:13]
foswiki_irc6thanks [14:13]
CDotfoswiki_irc6: ah, that's just the tip of the iceberg. When you start to write complex wiki applications, you need an industrial-strength search solution.
Just to give you an idea, Foswiki.org runs on the vanilla code, with *no* accelerated search solution.
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foswiki_irc6ok, just to give you an idea of what were going to use this for: we organize "peoples education", so organizations and societys and things like that will be using this
to present what they do, interlink and organize themselves.
I don't really see that we would need any complex wiki applications apart from a working search?
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MichaelDaumdepends on how much you formalize things, e.g. custom data models for events, courses, skills management, things like that. [14:18]
foswiki_irc6mhm, do you mean like giving the posibility of custom tags, like "spiritual" "youths" "senior citizens" "outside"? [14:22]
CDottagging is just one small way to organise. There are many more layers of structure available. Or you can leave the wiki as a "free expression" space, and not try to impose structure at all. [14:23]
foswiki_irc6that was my original thought [14:24]
MichaelDaumthe advantage of formalizing properties more is that they directly translate into a facet in the search interface.
say you have a DataForm for topics describing a seminar.
the seminar can fall into several categories like you described above
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foswiki_irc6ok [14:26]
MichaelDaumor target audiences
this is done using DataForms in Foswiki (don't mind the terminology in case this is new to you)
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foswiki_irc6ok, thanks, is it like MySql? [14:27]
MichaelDauma DataForm is a description of a html form to enter structured data in addition to the normal white area in a wiki [14:27]
foswiki_irc6ok [14:27]
MichaelDaumso authors will see a select box with possible values for "Target Audience" and "Prerequisites" and "Course Instructor" and "Start Date" and "EndDate" for a seminar [14:28]
foswiki_irc6i see - we would probably need to buy in solutions if were going to create a more structured wiki, is this MD Consulting .. the place to go in that case?
or is this software fairly easy to install and customize?
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MichaelDaumthat's one way to get professional help. see the list of all WikiConsultants on Foswiki.org [14:29]
foswiki_irc6thx [14:29]
MichaelDaumfor instance CDot is a Foswiki consultant as well.
just to complete the example on seminars
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foswiki_irc6ok
listening :)
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MichaelDaumonce you created a 100 pages using that data model, you can have a "Target Audience" facet in the sidebar of a WebSearch to do a one-click drill-down of seminars of that type
see the sidebar at http://demo.michaeldaumconsulting.com/Knowledge/WebSearch
there are a few standard facets like Web, Media, Author and what else
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foswiki_irc6right, yes I recognize that [14:33]
MichaelDaumin the seminar app, it would hold a section called "Target Audience" and maybe another listing all "Course Instructors"
makes two clicks to get all seminars for audience "foo" helpd by instructor "bar"
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foswiki_irc6in the html form for structured data?
right, very nice
And to customize a web with something like this would cost..? Assuming we don't do it ourselves, but hire a consultant.
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MichaelDaumsame approach for other apps where you have product classes, vendors, version tags, things like that ... and then have a powerful fulltext query specifically tailored to that use case
foswiki_irc6, please email me for price info.
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foswiki_irc6i understand, I like the idea. It seems like it could be a good help to make people fell less lost. : ) [14:37]
MichaelDaumof course.
wikis as they grow tend to become a black whole over time with duplicate efforts and abandoned pages
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foswiki_irc6yes, and its nice if it can be avoided.. whats your e-mail, or where can i find it? [14:39]
MichaelDauma fast and easy to use search interface helps to cope with it, even more if your meta data on your wiki serves as search clues for users. [14:39]
foswiki_irc6thanks
I'll discuss with our webmaster and get back to you, might be a week or two, though
thanks loads for the help
bye!
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