#foswiki 2016-05-03,Tue

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gac410Another was following the refresh cache link on the bottom of every page. Kinda defeated the purpose. Foswiki 2.1.1 removed the refresh link for guest users. [00:00]
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foswiki_irc5and how do you guys find out that there's bots in the page and that they behave like that? [00:42]
gac410Watching the Apache logs
If you can't see the logs it's a lot harder.
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foswiki_irc5whew
I'm not sure if the was the CommentPlugin or the robots.txt
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gac410There are good log analysis tools as well that will tell you whats going on. awstats is a popular one. [00:43]
foswiki_irc5eitherway, my wiki came back
*w*
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gac410great [00:44]
foswiki_irc5yeah I saw the awstats "app" on my cpanel
but there's a lot of tools that I have no idea on how to use it
I'm trying to learn things as they come
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gac410robots.txt has a lot of delay, some bots check it daily or weekly. awstats is good. Should give you a good idea of what's going on.
I wish we had it installed ;P
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foswiki_irc5does the bot count as one visit or n visits? [00:45]
gac410easier asked than answered. Each "hit" of the view script is a page view. But of course, indexing a page will also need to load graphics and stuff. - pub files then are read too.
So a view of Main/WebHome does a lot of work. I just monitored my local test server. Main/WebHome did 34 requests.
including the CSS, Javascript and all the images.
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Foswiki 2.1.2 built. installed on Foswiki.org now. phew. Now to begin uploads [01:02]
foswiki_irc5you surprise me with the amount of knowledge you display
I think I came here for information about 3 or 4 times
every single time you helped me out and cleared lots of questions
really appreciate it
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GithubBot[distro] vrurg pushed 1 new commit to Item13897: https://git.io/vwSQY
distro/Item13897 1b1eab5 Vadim Belman: Item13897: Brought the configure action back to some kind of life....
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FoswikiBothttps://foswiki.org/Tasks/Item13897 [ Item13897: Implement ImproveOOModel proposal. ] [01:04]
vrurggac410: Congrats! [01:04]
gac410glad to help. Only been at this since 2008. And twiki before.
thanks Vadim
and thanks foswiki_irc5 ... glad to help when I can.
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vrurgvrurg has some little success too. [01:05]
gac410great
I'd pull & test for you but right now I need to get the new release uploaded to github and sourceforge.
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vrurgThanks for pointing me to the wrong JSON. 
Most likely I won't be working on this tomorrow. And time to relax today.
CU!
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gac410cu [01:07]
GithubBot[distro] gac410 pushed 1 new commit to Release02x01: https://git.io/vwSQz
distro/Release02x01 cf13c7d George Clark: Item000: Build Foswiki 2.1.2
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FoswikiBothttps://foswiki.org/Tasks/Item000 [ Item000 ] [01:07]
GithubBot[distro] gac410 tagged FoswikiRelease02x01x02 at ad18d22: https://git.io/vwSQS [01:10]
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gac410 changes topic to: Foswiki 2.1.2 is released! Download at https://foswiki.org/Download/FoswikiRelease02x01x02. IRC logs: http://irclogs.foswiki.org/bin/irclogger_log/foswiki [01:38]
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foswiki_irc5cu here in brazil means asshole
hehe
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gac410oops. It's IRC / texting slang for 'see you' later [02:05]
foswiki_irc5just a curiosity xD
I could get the meaning of it
c u
well, gac.. shift's over
again, thanks very much for your help
hope the next time that I get in here I get assigned the same username
lmao
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gac410y. cultural differences can be really tough. I recall many years ago travling to might have been brazil, and making the "ok" symbol [02:07]
foswiki_irc5HAAHHAHAAHHAHAHAAH [02:07]
gac410You can always use /nick command to change your nickname [02:07]
foswiki_irc5wish I saw that [02:07]
gac410y. That created quite an international incident in our company. [02:07]
foswiki_irc5wow
didn't thought you would have trouble with that
brazilians are very... forgiving I guess
well, at least the common fokk
folk
chairmen can be tough
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gac410;) this was a long time ago... maybe late 70's and he was speaking to a big group. [02:08]
FalknetxD
should I assign a password?
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gac410anyway, glad to help. good luck
You can register and get a password. I't s been soooo long ago, I have no ideah how I did it. ;D
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Falknetno prob, I can search it later
I already gave you lots of trouble
cya mate
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gac410na. cya... goodnight [02:10]
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LavrMichael Daum. Check your latest plugin update no https://foswiki.org/Extensions/AttachContentPlugin Note the changed form does not contain the correct info like Author.
Actually it is ONLY the Author field which seems to be wrong.
And thanks for updating the plugin
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GithubBot[AttachContentPlugin] MichaelDaum pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vw9CD
AttachContentPlugin/master 2a8fddf MichaelDaum: Item14062: only attach content when it changed...
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LavrFoswiki 2.1.2 working great here on my production site at Moto. Thanks for all the good work to the team. [08:50]
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Lavrgac410 thanks for the 2.1.2 release. Great work man!
Already running here at Moto
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gac410Excellent. Thanks Lavr
Now we just need to announce it ;)
I have a question.. I'm building the VM image for Foswiki 2.1.2. I updated to Ubuntu 16.04 LTS.
I've switched to 7z compression, and managed to reduce the image from 700M to 500M ... latest with some careful disk cleaning got to 300M.
But I'm concerned that 7z is less widely available than good-ole zip compression.
Any concerns about releasing the latest VM with 7zip compression.
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LavrAs long as it is only the VM I have no concerns. [13:34]
gac410Also, I removed webmin from the latest vm. It didn't have a maintained package on Ubuntu 16.04
with zip, it's 537 Meg, with 7z it's 360 Meg. That's a pretty significant savings in download time
Just for jollies. On our release package. zip is 23M, tgz is 20M, 7z is 14M
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uebera||gac10: If you want to use webmin (I don't use it myself), it's still available upstream, of course: http://www.webmin.com/deb.html [14:01]
gac410yeah, but in thinking about it, I didn't want to get an unmaintained package (from apt perspective) that would need manual updates outside of apt-get update [14:02]
uebera||It is maintained (i.e., you'd add the webmin repostory and would be able to receive updates).
Basically the same as we use git (however, in this case, it's maintained by an Ubuntu team).
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gac410I think they are having issues. It won't install with apt on 16.04, you need to manually download the .deb and finagle it.
https://sourceforge.net/p/webadmin/bugs/4742/?limit=25
According to the task, ubuntu changed some rules on what makes a valid repository.
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uebera||I see. Looks like they only recently started to test w/ Ubuntu (/me wonders whether the first MariaDB 10.x packages will work)... so it really does not look like a good idea to install it for the image. [14:11]
gac410well other than that one package, which I was always uneasy about (opening up possible security exposures) 16.04 looks fine. [14:12]
uebera||And it comes w/ Perl v5.22.1 ;) [14:14]
gac410The image has perl 5.22 and again getting a faster perl without adding the complexity of plenv / perlbrew is good
yeah
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rouiljgac410, what compression level on gzip and also have you tried bzip? [22:36]
gac410Hi rouilj ... I use "zip -9". The file we created for the vmware VM needs to be cross-platform.
7z seems to be a popular tool on windows.
So I've not tried tar bzip or the like.
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rouiljah ok. Yeah is the vmware image is meant for windows then zip or 7z is the way to go. [23:03]

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