#foswiki 2016-11-10,Thu

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vrurggac410: The installation has finished but it's too late to try anything.
vrurg is trying to formulate the proposal for alternative config specs.
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gac410Hi vrurg, that's fine. Test as you get around to it.
I'm trying to pick through remaining urgent or "targed" bugs to get a 2.1.3 ready for a beta
https://foswiki.org/Tasks/TasksByRelease?release=2.1.3&checkins=All is a handy report of what is planned for a release.
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vrurgIt's so hard to avoid compiliing from ports as it is so flexible. But takes ages to complete. [00:04]
gac410Ah.. .compiling. like gentoo. Yeah it does take a Looong time.
It eliminates a certain type of library dependency hell ... and trades it off for compile hell + a different flavor of lib dependency hell.
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vrurgpackages are provided but to me use of binaries with FreeBSD is like use of sources with Ubuntu. ;)
Would anybody told us before bringing to this world that it's hell and nothing but it. :D
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gac410I do really like the "never install a new release" strategy of gentoo. It just evolves. But some updates are really huge. [00:07]
vrurgBTW, I wonder if there could 14 days rule applied to a side branches. As nobody seemed interested in discussing the new extensions model I would simply merge it and move on. If I get the new config specs merged in then everything would be in place to have not just OO-fied version 2 but something really looking like a new major (PSGI+new extensions+new config). Though still nothing end user-side but that's completely out of my hands. [00:10]
gac410*any* proposal (doesn't matter what branch) is subject to the 14 day rule. Once a proposal has a commitment date and developer, the clock starts
So a side branch gives you a chance to work before the proposal is approved. But once past 14 days, you are good to go.
I think though for the really major like the OO branch, that really is way too early to merge into master. But your plugins branch is probably okay
(for the OO branch, not master ;) )
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vrurgSure, I'm not taking master. I simple consider the Item13897 as the 'micro-master' which is kinda accepted for 3.0. So, merging the new extensions into should also be within the 14 day rule. [00:16]
FoswikiBothttps://foswiki.org/Tasks/Item13897 [ Item13897: Implement ImproveOOModel proposal. ] [00:16]
gac410Yes. Unless someone adds a "concern" you are free to go. The purpose is to try to prevent gridlock. [00:17]
vrurgI think I would post the new config specs and set the commitment date for both as the next monday (the meeting). This would give me time to have frame implementation for the config. [00:17]
gac410If a concern is added, its still possible to bring the proposal forward, either by addressing concerns, or asking for a community vote.
You can "start the clock" anytime you are comfortable with, (other than the past :D )
The onus is on the other developers to either raise a concern or deal with the consequences. Unfortunately often devs don't pay attention, in creep up on them, and suddenly they find it during beta, and blow their stacks.
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vrurgThe monday is good in all respects to start it. [00:21]
gac410y, the release meetings were started up to try to deal with some of this. Unfortunately the lower turnout recently is concerning. [00:21]
vrurgIt is. But let's hope it's temporary. Life isn't linear.
Crazy... Formality in its full shine.
formalities
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gac410Anyway, I'm going to merge your Tar patch ... unless you've done it.
it's on the TasksByRelease list :)
Once they are all "waiting for release", and there are no open "Urgent" tasks, technically the release can go forward.
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GithubBot[distro] gac410 pushed 1 new commit to Release02x01: https://git.io/vXaIW
distro/Release02x01 b8bad3e George Clark: Item14071: '0' should be accepted for mandatory registration fields...
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FoswikiBothttps://foswiki.org/Tasks/Item14071 [ Item14071: a bug in lib/Foswiki/UI/Register.pm ] [01:32]
GithubBot[distro] gac410 pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vXaI8
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vrurghttps://foswiki.org/Development/OOConfigSpecsFormat
vrurg is crazy...
Time to go. Thanks and CU!
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gac410Hi vrurg .. Sanity is overrated
CU
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GithubBot[distro] gac410 pushed 1 new commit to Release02x01: https://git.io/vXaqy
distro/Release02x01 246450c George Clark: Item14078: Wyswyg merges horizontal rule into lists...
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FoswikiBothttps://foswiki.org/Tasks/Item14078 [ Item14078: hr line after li (*) ] [02:29]
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GithubBot[distro] gac410 pushed 1 new commit to Release02x01: https://git.io/vXamb
distro/Release02x01 5c5d515 George Clark: Item13929: Handle BSD tar utility...
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FoswikiBothttps://foswiki.org/Tasks/Item13929 [ Item13929: FileUtil doesn't work correctly with BSD tar. ] [02:50]
gac410vrurg: For the logs: I merged your patch for bsd tar. ExtensionInstaller tests still run okay. They do test the tar utility, so probably useful for testing this on bsd. [02:51]
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distro/Release02x01 14d4cb4 George Clark: Merge branch 'Item14201' into Release02x01
distro/Release02x01 4fd19f9 George Clark: Item14201: Move PendingRegistration into System web
distro/Release02x01 6f66398 George Clark: Item14201: Add unit tests for registration report
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gac410CDot: MichaelDaum ... I'm trying to polish up the UpgradeGuide. Is there a suggested way to migrate a .htpasswd file that has high-ascii characters to UTF-8? We don't have any tool that does this. :( [15:47]
CDotTricky. [15:48]
gac410yeah. I figured that much out :D [15:48]
CDotthere's probably a command-line tool for doing it, so long as you are certain of the source encoding [15:48]
gac410gac410 will google around a bit [15:48]
CDothttp://stackoverflow.com/questions/64860/best-way-to-convert-text-files-between-character-sets
I used iconv when I was working on the unicode, and it worked pretty well, though it struggled to *recognise* the source encoing IIRC
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gac410ya just discovered that.
Okay thanks. I'll mention that tool as well as recode.
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CDotpoint at that stackoverflow question - it says all the right things :-) [15:51]
gac410okay thanks.
BTW once I work out a bit more on the email wizard issues with vadim, I'll get going on a Beta 2.1.3 build. Want to close out Item13929, Item14202 and Item14205
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FoswikiBothttps://foswiki.org/Tasks/Item13929 [ Item13929: FileUtil doesn't work correctly with BSD tar. ] https://foswiki.org/Tasks/Item14202 [ Item14202: PageCache tweaks to control dependency growth. ] https://foswiki.org/Tasks/Item14205 [ Item14205: Autoconfig Email failing with recent versions of
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gac410I've been saying I'd get a beta going since beginning of Sept. [15:54]
gac410 is debating whether Item14070 is too much for a patch release. It's a reasonable change, but might require settings changes, so I guess to be honest, it's not really Patch material. [16:05]
FoswikiBothttps://foswiki.org/Tasks/Item14070 [ Item14070: improve "Create a link to the attached file" formatting options and defaults ] [16:05]
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CDothmmmm - up to you. Sneaking functionality upgrades into patches isn't really good practice, though. [16:29]
gac410I'm just concerned that there is very little happening on a 2.2, No idea when we'll start picking up features again. But yes, this really ought to wait.
Okay. I'll merge it into master.
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GithubBot[distro] gac410 pushed 1 new commit to Release02x01: https://git.io/vXVXM
distro/Release02x01 6ed3a36 George Clark: Item13883: Updates to the UpgradeGuide
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FoswikiBothttps://foswiki.org/Tasks/Item13883 [ Item13883: Documentation changes for master and 2.1 ] [17:44]
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