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m4nhmm interesting
just finished reading the irc logs of the last meeting in which the fork was decided
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SvenDowideitit was decided in an irc meeting?
i obviously don't remember the details anymore :)
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m4nhttp://foswiki.org/pub/Community/TWikiReleaseMeeting2008x10x27/twiki_release_2008_10_27.log [03:31]
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donbarryhi m4n.. pretty amazing read, isn't it? [03:32]
m4ngot the invitation mail to foswiki summit and that is when I knew all this. i was running far behind in time :)
donbarry: yes, it is :)
[03:32]
SvenDowideitwow, you're right, i'd forgotten some of those details [03:32]
donbarryactually it's amazing to me how few people really have learned. the new sabdfl of t.o has locked out people from the irc chan, swept consultants pages and critical stuff off of t.o [03:33]
SvenDowideiti don't find it that surprising - tmwiki has alot of weblinks from alot of places [03:33]
m4nso, you are all developers? [03:34]
SvenDowideitmmm, most of the dev's are not here - they're in europe so sleeping :) [03:34]
donbarryi'm just a very appreciative and enthusiastic user. sven is one of the top 3 or 4 developers [03:35]
SvenDowideitshhhh :) [03:35]
donbarrysven, you were also release manager for 2 years, right? [03:35]
SvenDowideitor so
i was the only developer of the cairo release
2003ish
and then i did some things to open up development to more people, and so Crawford was able to come online
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donbarrysven, did you see this tweet from "jevon", "I make a post that mentions TWiki and a bunch of FOSWiki people commented, now getting takedown notices from TWiki. There goes my goodwill" [03:36]
m4nm4n is also just a user ;) [03:36]
SvenDowideitwow, nope [03:36]
donbarryi didn't know that, sven. i first installed cairo. [03:36]
SvenDowideiti don't watch twitter much
do we have a copy of jevon's post?
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donbarryit was two months after the launch of our spacecraft and we needed a way to collaborate across a bunch of institutions. [03:36]
SvenDowideitwe'd be quite happy to spread it around
cool! like really cool :)
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donbarryjevon's post: http://bit.ly/3sXe5y
interesting that hwsnbn's comments are still there but the two foswiki comments were wiped
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SvenDowideitah, so he compiled with the takedowns huh [03:38]
donbarryyeah. i wonder if he'd be willing to share the text
i've never heard of a company demanding that a blog remove critical comments
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unixhagI remember we had a page with everyone's pic on it, but can't remember what it's called. Sven do you know what I mean? Some plugin for users did it [03:39]
SvenDowideitnormally it generates bad press, unfortuanatly, we're not sufficiently agressive to post about it
unixhag, um, er - something to do with facebook
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donbarryuserlistbypictures, right? [03:39]
unixhagyes!! thanks sven, that's the jogger that I needed :-) [03:39]
SvenDowideitpersonalinfoContrib
http://foswiki.org/Extensions/PersonalInfoAddOn
i think
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unixhagunixhag returns to window [03:40]
SvenDowideithttp://foswiki.org/Main/PersonalInfoFaceBook [03:40]
unixhagah! :-) yeah thanks
pointing an OtherWiki group and what WE can do :-)
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SvenDowideithehe
we can do sooooo much more
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unixhagyeah, but can't let all the cats out of the bag at once :-) [03:42]
SvenDowideitwe can do everything!
mmm, including overheat my notebook by putting it fan vent side down in the carpet :(
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donbarryi must run and deliver a food care package to a sick friend. best of luck at your summit this weekend. And as always, thanks for all the contributions and hard work (and hope that you can continue to get good contracts to reward yourselves in more useful ways as well) [03:43]
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SvenDowideitlaters :) and thanks from all of us :) [03:44]
unixhagIt would be nice to have links to the facebook from other user pages, but it would be even nicer if more people were BULLIED into putting their photos up there. Y'all hear me?!
unixhag puts her hands on hips and tries to look mean
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SvenDowideitgiggle
SvenDowideit raises his shield
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unixhag:-) [03:46]
SvenDowideithttp://foswiki.org/Main/SvenDowideit ;p [03:46]
unixhagYeah Sven, I noticed. Never realised before that you are black. [03:47]
SvenDowideitgiggle [03:47]
unixhagYou'd be perhaps the only black man I've known who has nothing more distinctive to his appearance than that colour. [03:48]
SvenDowideitits nice being indistinct [03:48]
unixhagSvenDowideit: WHEN ARE WE GONNA SEE... sorry, I'll calm down. When, if ever, is the world going to see a picture of your twins? [03:49]
SvenDowideitmmm, thats from 7months ago, shoudl update one day, but so far i have ~6GB of fotos
so its a little, well, daunting
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adubzzzanyone around? [03:59]
SvenDowideitsome :) [03:59]
adubzzzcool [04:03]
m4no_O [04:03]
adubzzzsvendowideit i am still working on ldap and twiki integretion [04:03]
SvenDowideityou've been trying to get twiki to co-operate for how long? [04:04]
adubzzza while
a month i think
well off and on
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SvenDowideithave you considered that using foswiki might just be faster? (as micha may actualy be able to help then) [04:04]
adubzzzi know my problem though [04:04]
SvenDowideitexcellent :) [04:04]
adubzzzwell i proposed this
but it looks like i have to stay with twiki
unfortunately
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SvenDowideitmeh :) [04:05]
adubzzzwhen i try to login to the server i dont get the hostname of the ldap server i get the twiki server login
in apache login format
i have ldapapachelogin for the login manager selected though
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SvenDowideitif you get the apache login popup, [04:06]
adubzzzi have the contrib implemented [04:06]
SvenDowideitthen thats what you've got configured in the apache conf or htpasswd
that over-rides any choices made in the foswiki/twiki confgiure
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adubzzzok
thanks for the insight please bare with me
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SvenDowideitno way :) i'll bear with you, but bare? no :D [04:08]
adubzzzi delete a reference instance in httpd.conf of .htpasswd still getting the prompt [04:10]
SvenDowideity, tahts to be expected
you need to remove the things in the apache conf that trigger apacke auth
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adubzzzi dont see apache.conf on the sytem just ran a find o fit
ok
the apache.conf
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SvenDowideitrequires user, allow / deny lines that sort of thing [04:11]
adubzzzis it apache2.conf [04:11]
SvenDowideitand when you modify it, you have to restart apache
depends on your server setup
on mine its apache.conf
on some its httpd.conf, and others even odder things
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adubzzzya im not finding either odd [04:12]
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wwwolfhi [04:12]
SvenDowideitlow [04:12]
m4nadubzzz: what is the binary name - apache or httpd? [04:13]
adubzzzhttpd.conf
i have that
apache2 is the binary
to restart i go /etc/init.d/apache2 restart
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m4nyep [04:14]
wwwolfSvenDowideit: moin [04:14]
adubzzzok so mine is httpd.conf [04:15]
wwwolfSvenDowideit: I trie to get treebrowserplugin to work
it shall show me in webleftbar the menue of pages dynamically
unfortunately I find no documentation, where to change webleftbar
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SvenDowideitits a topic called WebLeftBar (in pattern skin
the docco for that should be in there tho - search for WebLeftBar
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wwwolfSvenDowideit: so I have to change the skin? [04:17]
SvenDowideiti don't think the skin itself, just to configure a topic [04:17]
wwwolfhttp://trunk.foswiki.org/Main/WebLeftBarExample is all i see [04:17]
SvenDowideiti searched for 'webleftbar' and get
http://foswiki.org/System/WebSearch?search=webleftbar&scope=all&web=Home%2CAbout%2CSystem%2CExtensions%2CSupport%2CCommunity%2CDevelopment%2CDownload%2CTasks%2CMain
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adubzzzsvendowideit i combed the httpd.conf and dont see any reference to the using of htpasswd [04:18]
SvenDowideitincluding PatternSkinCustomisation [04:18]
adubzzzi do see where it says access file name is htaccess [04:18]
SvenDowideityou're _not_ looking for the word htpasswd [04:18]
adubzzzok [04:19]
SvenDowideityou're looking for where your server has been configured to use apache auth [04:19]
adubzzzwhat should i look for
sorry man im not sure of the string of text
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SvenDowideitfirstly, you should look for where the relevant section is - the one pertaining directly to twiki [04:19]
adubzzzi see no references to twiki
in the httpd.conf
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SvenDowideitthen you need to find the file that is being used [04:20]
adubzzzi dont know what other file it could be [04:20]
m4nadubzzz: did you also grep in the all the conf files in the subdirectories? [04:20]
SvenDowideitwhich might be included from there, be automatically included from sub dirs of that
or in the www dir
or in the foswiki/bin dir
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m4ngrep -i include your_httpd.conf_file
get the include directory and and then grep inside those files
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SvenDowideitor in the foswiki dir, or, well, lots of places really
i am suspecting that you have a .htaccess file in your foswiki/bin dir
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wwwolfSvenDowideit: from what I understand, I now have to change WebLeftBar, but arent allowed to do so, do I have to login as admin? [04:22]
adubzzzits in teh working directory
.htaccess
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SvenDowideitwwwolf, perhaps - is taht really what the patternskin customisation docco says?
(its possible, but a shame)
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adubzzzthe .htaccess just says deny from all [04:23]
SvenDowideit'just'?
um, waith
which .htaccess file
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adubzzzonly has Deny From All [04:24]
SvenDowideitthere are __many_
and you want the one that specifically has to do with the bin dir
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adubzzzthis one /srv/www/htdocs/wiki/working/.htaccess [04:24]
SvenDowideitthere are others, which are to prevent users from getting to files they're not supposed to
that one for eg you should not touch
srv/www/htdocs/wiki/bin/.htaccess is the most lkely
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adubzzzthere is a .htaccess.txt
so i dont think its activated
there is a Locallib.cfg.txt as well
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SvenDowideitok, then you have to look for somethign else
basically, apache won't give you the popup auth unless your system is configured to do so
i can't know where that configuration is on your system
i would suspect you're looking for a file under /etc - where the httpd.conf is
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adubzzzya
im looking in there im not seeing anything that is pertinent to this
i know i use the htpasswd file and i know where that is
but it just has usernames and/or passwaords
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SvenDowideitat some stage you probably used the apache config generator topic
what you're looking for, is where you saved that to
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adubzzzya
wish i knew what filename to go after
lol
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SvenDowideitum, you created it, and saved it... [04:35]
adubzzzlol
actually i didnt
but that is a long story
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SvenDowideitthat'd be why so many admins keep a log book of what they did :) [04:37]
wwwolfSvenDowideit: hm, i have read all stuff, but get no grip on how to start
SvenDowideit: It cant be so complicated, maybe I just missed the point
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adubzzzsvendowideit im going to continue to try to find what is causing this to authenticate [04:42]
SvenDowideitwwwolf, it depends (for starters) on if you want it to be for all webs, or just one
gotta go
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wwwolfas of what I understand until now: I have to adjust in DefaultPreferences webleftbar [04:53]
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MTempestI wrote a plugin and uploaded it to foswiki.org. It works for me, and I am sure that it may be useful to other people.
But ... how would they know it is there?
Is there anything else I should do ( as a wannabe-responsible plugin developer :p ) to publicise the plugin?
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adubzzzsvendowideit
you aoround bro
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Dae`put on an ad campaign [07:06]
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JanD72gr8 summit-mail btw. Would like to sneak into the responses ;) [07:41]
unixhagMTempest: look in the support web for people whose troubles/wishes could be solved by your plugin? Tell us here? Um....
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MTempestunixhag: Thanks for the support web suggestion - I had not thought of that. [07:45]
BabarMTempest: what does it do? :) [07:57]
***Babar sets mode: +oooo AndreU MTempest SvenDowideit unixhag [07:57]
MTempestLong words can really mess up the layout of tables.
SmartWordBreakPlugin splits long words for you.
It puts in optional work-breaks into WikiWords and Words_With_Underscores.
It also inserts soft hyphens at hyphenation points.
For more information, see http://foswiki.org/Extensions/SmartWordBreakPlugin
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BabarSvenDowideit: around?
we already had the same kind of plugin, didn't we?
the one that replaces the CamelCase with Camel Case
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MTempestSPACEOUT, or something like that. [08:01]
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Babarrha... Sven... come on... [08:05]
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BabarSvenDowideit: ok, committing my fix as it's a no-brainer, and I hope you won't mind :) [08:09]
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adubzzzAccess check on Main.WebHome failed. Action "viewauth". authentication required
im getting the following error when trying to authenticate using ldap
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Babarso you're not authenticated :)
you migrated to foswiki or still using old (tm)wiki?
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adubzbabar you still around sorry i stepped out for a bit [09:27]
Babarthen reply :)
SvenDowideit: so you didn't mind, good :)
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adubz:)
well im forced to staying with twiki
and i did plead my case
not exactly my choice and worse of all i showed the anomosity between you guys and peter and i sided with you guys
and worst of all my boss says he wants to purchase the twiki.net version b/c he said this is the problem with opensource projects
i was hoping to transistion to foswiki but hell i think now im screwed
lol
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Babarthe problem with open source project is? [09:38]
adubzhell if i know
well he said the support would be better and what not
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Babarthat he doesn't get support? Hum... look at the consultant page on Foswiki.org, and I'm sure any consultant on that page will be very happy to provide him with a support contract [09:38]
adubzbut everyone in here is mega helpful to me always [09:38]
BabarI mean, a paid support, if that's what he's after :) [09:39]
adubzright
i dunno seems like all the key developers of twiki are over here now
but what do i know
plus he was pointing out that nokia and a lot big businesses use twiki.net
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adubzi was like blah i cant argue [09:40]
Babaryahoo is migrating to foswiki :)
motorola migrated too
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Bamie_who is in charge of the foswiki system operations? [09:40]
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Babarbut yes, we need to make more buzz about that :)
Bamie_: sorry? was that for adubz?
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Bamie_in general [09:41]
BabarBabar doesn't get the question then [09:41]
Bamie_never mind then [09:42]
ManuelLamorahello everybody [09:42]
adubzAccess check on Main.WebHome failed. Action "viewauth". authentication required <--- babar do you know what would cause that error
like i click login and that is what i get
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Babarso it means either your ldap auth isn't working, or it's not configured [09:43]
adubzhmm
but it is configured
i have it configured in the contrib
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ManuelLamorai'm running into a problem with foswiki_redirect_cache. The requested URL /foswiki/bin/sendmail/Monitoring/ApplicationCheckOrderForm/foswiki_redirect_cache/87f04554317cf39741db55daee241854 was not found on this server. Anybody can help me to solve this? [09:44]
adubzand i also had to setup the twiki.conf file to do the ldap authentication instead of http basic with apache [09:44]
BabarManuelLamora: there is a bug entry for that, and it's been fixed in the newer releases
let me find it for you
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ManuelLamoraohh [09:45]
BabarManuelLamora: try http://foswiki.org/Tasks/Item1766
which version of foswiki are you using?
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ManuelLamora1.07
i'm migrating our business wiki from twiki to foswiki...
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Babarhum, I thought this was fixed in 1.0.7
what's your UsePathForRedirectCache set to?
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ManuelLamoranow it's 1, but i tried a lot of settings now. [09:49]
Babarwith 1 you shouldn't get this error... that's odd [09:50]
ManuelLamorai'm having this problem only in one form (FormPlugin) which sends a email (SendEmailPlugin) [09:51]
Babarhum, /foswiki/bin is set as a ScriptAlias, right? [09:51]
adubzbabar i read about many people getting the viewauth error i see where it states you want to create a symlink with viewauth and something else
dont know exactly what that something else is though it doesnt specify
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Babaradubz: sorry, but I would only guess here, and I ran out of ideas :(
ManuelLamora: and is the email sent?
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ManuelLamorano the email is not sent...
ScriptAlias /foswiki/bin "/opt/www/it-wiki.cablecom.ch/htdocs/foswiki/bin"
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Babaroh, cablecom uses foswiki, cool :)
so... then... it should work...
what does the apache error logs say?
oh, you have a sendmail binary, right?
in fact, you most certainly don't ...
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ManuelLamoraapache-log: script not found or unable to stat: /opt/www/it-wiki.cablecom.ch/htdocs/foswiki/bin/sendmail, referer: https://it-wiki.cablecom.ch/foswiki/bin/view/Monitoring/ApplicationCheckOrderForm [09:54]
Babarit should be sendemail, not sendmail...
Arthur changed the name of the script in 2007
what version of the plugin are you using? The SendEmailPlugin?
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ManuelLamorawait.. i have a look [09:55]
adubzmy apache logs say login name for such and such not found [09:55]
Babaroh... maybe your old form still has a link to sendmail... edit the form and make it point to sendemail [09:56]
ManuelLamoraPlugin Version: 1.4.1 (29 Mar 2009)
that could be a reason, i have not changed the form till now
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Babarif you don't want to tamper with your data (like you're migrating), you could create a rewrite rule to rewrite /foswiki/bin/sendmail to sendemail
like: RewriteRule /foswiki/bin/sendmail(.*)$ /foswiki/bin/sendemail$1 [R,L]
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ManuelLamorai'm migrating on a copy...
with rsync
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Babaryeah, but then you'll have to rsync --newer-only or something :)
RewriteRule will save you this hassle, and then you can fix the script and remove it, once you have migrated
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ManuelLamoraI have changed the form to: action="%SCRIPTURL{sendemail}%/%WEB%/%TOPIC%" but the error still occurs.... The requested URL /foswiki/bin/sendemail/Monitoring/ApplicationCheckOrderForm/foswiki_redirect_cache/ae5482a2ebb36f57759c1c4641fc12cd was not found on this server. [10:04]
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Babarand you have the bin script?
it should come with SendEmailPlugin
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ManuelLamorayes, and the error in the apache log is gone now [10:07]
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Babarhum... if the apache error is gone, there shouldn't be any foswiki error... [10:08]
ManuelLamoraThe requested URL /foswiki/bin/sendemail/Monitoring/ApplicationCheckOrderForm/foswiki_redirect_cache/ae5482a2ebb36f57759c1c4641fc12cd was not found on this server.
it's the same but with sendemail now
can i disable the redirect_cache?
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Babarbut the redirect cache should only trigger if you login in between
if you're logged in, it should post directly
nothing in the foswiki logs btw?
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BabarManuelLamora: sorry, but a 404 without an entry in the apache error logs, doesn't make sense to me
can you please ensure your cache is flushed, and there is really nothing in the logs?
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ManuelLamorayes, wait a moment [10:14]
grandonhi there, can anyone tell me where I can set the default web where the user is being redirected when accessing the page? currently it's Main [10:14]
ManuelLamorai tried this now in a different browser, first logged in then filled out the form. There are no more errors in the apache- or the foswiki-warn-logs. the last error was 1 hour ago with the wrong binary-name [10:18]
Babarbut you still have an error on the screen and the mail is not sent? [10:19]
ManuelLamorayes... [10:19]
Babargrandon: there are several ways to do this... if you only want the / page to be something else, best is to use apache rewrite or redirect rules
ManuelLamora: hum, odd. dunno what could be wrong...
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grandoni thought about the apache rewrite myself, just thought there is a configuration for this in the foswiki itself, but anyways, thanks! [10:21]
Babargrandon: no, it's using a default which is the USERSWEB, iirc
there are some plugins to change that, like SvenDowideit's HomePagePlugin, but it's doing much more than just that, and not sure it does only that anyway :)
it's an often requested feature though... not hard to hack through, but nobody cared enough to implement it :)
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ManuelLamorai will try now some variants in the foswiki configuration... but to remove the typo of sendemail has helped me allready a lot [10:24]
grandonI would not like to avoid making a "brickwiki" out of the foswiki ;) i have already set up the users and other things in Main, I would just like the have a redirect on "/" to "/MyNiceWeb/WebHome" not more... [10:27]
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ichbinsnuhri am still looking for a history listing of my devices
:-/
[10:49]
grandonBabar: thank you, I used the HomePagePlugin [10:50]
ManuelLamoraBabar: hmmm.... i can't find a working solution for my redirect_cache problem. I think it has something to do with the combination ldap-contrib, sendemail and the formplugin [10:53]
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BabarManuelLamora: could be... maybe MichaelDaum has an idea about the LdapContrib part [11:19]
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ManuelLamoraBabar: he seems to be at lunch ;-) [11:46]
Babaryou never know :) [11:48]
ichbinsnuhrwhere can i assign, which layout should have my form? (see http://www.imgbox.de/?img=t28342x196.png) [11:52]
Babaryou mean how it's displayed? Use a template, and maybe AutoViewTemplatePlugin, or ping OliverKrueger :) [11:54]
ichbinsnuhryes
now, how you can see, its only a table
but it doesnt looks nice
[11:58]
Babaryes, so make a template so it looks better :) [11:59]
ichbinsnuhrhm [12:00]
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ichbinsnuhri will try my best
:P
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ManuelLamoraBabar: do you have some hints for me how i can isolate the problem with the redirect_cache? [12:05]
pharveyManuelLamora: it's a long-shot, but you can change the form in which the redirect cache takes. It can be configured to be a URLPARAM instead of path [12:11]
ichbinsnuhrhm.. [12:15]
pharvey{UsePathForRedirectCache}
You would need to add to your LocalSite.cfg: $Foswiki::cfg{Sessions}{UsePathForRedirectCache} = 1;
$Foswiki::cfg{UsePathForRedirectCache} = 1;
[12:15]
ichbinsnuhrhttp://pastebin.com/m41d99686
thats my form :D
and thats the result http://www.imgbox.de/?img=t28342x196.png
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ManuelLamora$Foswiki::cfg{UsePathForRedirectCache} = 1; is allready set to 1
what do you mean with: It can be configured to be a URLPARAM instead of path
[12:23]
pharveySorry, if you set to = 0
It will use an alternative method to apply the redirect cache hexdigits
Path is default (eg /bin/view/Web/Topic/redirect_cache/238adfasd72)
url parameter is alternative (eg /bin/view/Web/Topic?redirect_cache=238adfasd72)
ManuelLamora: I am not hopeful this will solve anything, but it might do something for you , especially if you have funky apache rewrite directives that might be getting in the way
ichbinsnuhr: is the output what you expected?
pharvey sees there are 268 System topics in the release branch web.... 374 after you you ./pseudo-install default :(
[12:25]
ManuelLamorai have no apache rewriting rules at all [12:29]
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pharveyManuelLamora: Okay. It might still be worth trying your problem with {UsePathForRedirectCache} = 0. If you have run out of ideas, it isn't too hard to try :) [12:30]
ichbinsnuhrwhat do you mean pharvey [12:33]
pharveyichbinsnuhr: perhaps I should read the logs, I don't understand whether your nice screenshot and pastebin show a problem or some success :)
pharvey notes that release branch (our soon-to-be 1.0.8) now defaults to $Foswiki::cfg{UsePathForRedirectCache} = 0
[12:34]
ichbinsnuhrno pharvey
only for the info
i what to change the layout
of this form
[12:36]
pharveyah, yes
did you read about RenderFormPlugin
[12:36]
ichbinsnuhryes
but looked like big work
:PÜ
[12:38]
pharveyif you are more familiar with HTML, you can just build your form that way. [12:39]
ichbinsnuhrhm.. :P [12:39]
ManuelLamorahmm... I set {UsePathForRedirectCache} = 0. But the URL looks still like (eg /bin/view/Web/Topic?redirect_cache=238adfasd72). The error is still the same. The requested URL /foswiki/bin/sendemail/Monitoring/ApplicationCheckOrderForm?foswiki_redirect_cache=d18f276bfe1a4754b9ab08f4cebdcc74 was not found on this server. [12:43]
pharveyI see. And what do you get in the apache logs if you just visit /foswiki/bin/sendemail/Monitoring/ApplicationCheckOrderForm
or is this redirect_cache URL the result of a POST
It's an error 404?
[12:48]
ManuelLamorayes 404
this redirect_cache URL is the result of a POST when i click the send button in the form. the form should then send an email with the sendemail-plugin.
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pharveyDo you get 404 if you access /foswiki/bin/sendemail? [12:52]
ManuelLamorayes
but in the apache log is no error for this 404
[12:53]
pharveythat doesn't make sense
what are the properties of the /foswiki/bin/sendemail file
readable by the web user?
[12:55]
ManuelLamora-r-xr-x--- 1 itops16 itops16 1157 Mar 29 2009 sendemail
httpd is member of the group itops16
so... yes
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pharveyand this is similar perms to eg. view script, which should be in the same directory? [12:57]
ManuelLamorayes, and the others are working correctly [12:58]
pharveywow. And you're sure the logs are working? For example, if you acces some other bad URL, you do see the error message?
in the log
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ManuelLamora[Wed Nov 11 13:59:21 2009] [error] [client 10.3.2.15] script not found or unable to stat: /opt/www/it-wiki.cablecom.ch/htdocs/foswiki/bin/viewfa
yes, logging is working as you can see
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pharveyouch [13:00]
ManuelLamorastrange!!!! [13:00]
pharveyso something is generating a 404 response without apache
I would now be trying grep -r 404 foswiki/lib :-)
pharvey just tried grepping SendEmailPlugin, but didn't see anything
[13:00]
ManuelLamoraev. the FormPlugin [13:02]
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ManuelLamoralib/Foswiki/UI/View.pm: # this is a redirect - can be used to make 404,401 etc URL's [13:04]
pharveysomething complicated is happening.
When I visit ./foswiki/bin/sendemail, I get 500 server error, which is okay because I haven't enabled it in configure yet...
[13:05]
ManuelLamoragrep finds 404 in lib/Foswiki/UI.pm, lib/Foswiki/UI/Rest.pm and lib/Foswiki/UI/View.pm [13:05]
pharveysomething complicated is happening. I do not get a 404 when visiting the /bin/sendemail script on my foswiki trunk test install
you need to enable $debug
this will print messages into your apache log and prove that the script is actually running
actually I just tried it.
Add
$debug = 1;
[13:07]
ManuelLamorawhere do i have to add this? [13:09]
pharveylib/Foswiki/Plugins/SendEmailPlugin/Core.pm
just below use vars qw( $debug $emailRE );
(there is probably a nicer way of enabling $debug, but I forget right now)
When I make this change, I see a line printed in data/debug200911.txt
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pharvey| 2009-11-11T12:07:15Z debug | SendEmailPlugin -- called sendEmail() |
nothing is left in apache log
only the data/debug.txt
I have to go soon.
If it still does nothing for you. I would also try executing the script from the command line
as the itops user
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ManuelLamorathen i have to call sendemail again? [13:14]
pharveyyes
we *must* get a log line in data/debug.txt
otherwise the script is not being executed
[13:14]
ManuelLamoraI have no line in debug [13:15]
pharveycd foswiki/bin
sudo -u itops16 ./sendemail
you *must* get a log line in data/debug200911.txt
or my head will explode
and your server is cursed ;-)
sorry for the obvious question, but have you tried restarting apache?
[13:15]
ManuelLamorastill no line... but when i execute the script it tells me:
<title>404 Not Found</title>
[13:17]
pharveyhah!
goodness
[13:17]
ManuelLamora<h1>Not Found</h1><p>The requested URL was not found on this server.</p> [13:17]
pharveythat is insanity
i am glad we have progress :)
the script is generating a "fake" 404
[13:17]
ManuelLamorayes
but why?
[13:18]
pharveyreally no log line in data/debug.txt?
you must have a different plugin to me
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ManuelLamorawhich on do you have? [13:18]
pharveyI am running from svn [13:19]
ManuelLamoraI have installed it with the extension installer [13:19]
pharveyMy only suggestion at this point is perhaps try a svn checkout. Perhaps there have been fixes that are not yet released.
I am sorry this is not straight-forward, but I don't have time now to help you sort out what's wrong with the version that you have
[13:19]
ManuelLamorayes, i will try this... so thank you very much for your help!!!! [13:20]
pharveytry svn co http://svn.foswiki.org/trunk/SendEmailPlugin, and copy the files from there to your foswiki installation
no problem, good luck
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LarsEikq: is there a simple way to show a textarea formfield in an table cell, lik | label: | %FORMFIELD{ "textarea-field" }% |....? Because the textarea has linebreaks, of course [13:30]
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BabarLarsEik: without telling the FORMFIELD to end its fields with \?
its lines, sorry
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LarsEikI dont understand...yes the formfield has linebreaks..I think one can nest another table but that sounds very...hmm...Also if it is possible with some easy html synx, like a div or span or something. I tried but didn't quite get it right [14:16]
BabarBabar used first line%BR%\ second line
and it worked iirc
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MartinKaufmannLarsEik: AFAIK it doesn't work with plain textareas (without resorting to %BR%s). At least not in a Foswiki table. It does, however, work in an HTML table. [14:23]
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LarsEikThanks, I'll try with html table then.. [14:32]
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McAldohow can i extract the second number in a value with the funktion $VALUE?
%CALC{$VALUE($web.$topic)}%
$web = Web2009
$topic = $done01 or done02 or done03
in the view mode it shows only 2009 :(
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MartinKaufmannMcAldo: I guess you could add a SUBSTRING or RIGTHSTRING before VALUE. [14:57]
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Babaror do it twice :)
%CALC{$VALUE($web)}% %CALC{$VALUE($topic)}%
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McAldoBabar: the "VALUE" line is included from another topic in the parent web
MartinKaufmann: it works with rightstring
thanks
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ManuelLamorathe svn-version of the SendEmailPlugin gives me the same problem that sendemail could not be found. so i have reinstalled my foswiki installation and all the plugins (SendEmailPlugin,FormPlugin) but the form which sends the email is still not working and I have the same problem again that /foswiki/bin/sendemail could not be found and no errors appear in apache- or foswiki-log. Strange... [15:51]
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ManuelLamoraCause there is just one form in our wiki i'm thinking about to use an external form for this and make an include and then uninstall the FormPlugin and the SendEmailPlugin. [15:56]
Babarthat's odd, because SendEmail seems to have been migrated to Foswiki
so it has to work :)
[15:59]
McAldois that the right syntax for creating a subweb: Foswiki::Func::createWeb( "$web/$subweb$nr" ) ??? [16:03]
Babarlooks so [16:05]
ManuelLamoraperhaps its in the combination with forms
Babar: do you have a send button when you open the SendEmailPlugin under installed plugins in the section with the form or also an FormPlugin warning?
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ManuelLamorawhen i use the plain html example from SendEmailPlugin i also get an error (The requested URL /foswiki/bin/sendemail/System/SendEmailPlugin was not found on this server) so no form is involved... [16:22]
Babarno idea, and no time to debug it, sorry [16:25]
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ManuelLamorathank you anyway ;-) have a nice evening... [16:40]
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McAldoknow someone a regular expression to match the greater number in a series of numbers? like topic[1-9]{great number} [16:47]
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McAldois it possible to search in a web and the subwebs for the search text "topic[0-9]" and get the topic name with the greatest number? [17:49]
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McAldothats my code line: %CALC{$SET(ttopic,%SEARCH{"TOPIC[0-9]" scope="topic" regex="on" nosearch="on" reverse="on" limit="1" nototal="on" format="$topic"}%)$GET(atopic)}% %BR%
but this found only topics in the web
with the parameter recurse="on" shows the topic with the greatest number from the subweb
hm..., i don't know how can i descripe this problem
can someone help me? :/
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hellmachinehi, is it possible to deny view/change of certain topics to AdminUsers? [18:13]
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McAldohellmachine: no
perhaps with restrictions in the filesystem
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LavrIt seems SVN checkin messages have stopped flowing to the SVN mailing list
We are at 5489 in release branch
Last one in mailing list is 5479
[21:42]
gac410Last message I received was around 40 minutes ago. I did get a commit by Sven for 5489
Subject: [Foswiki-svn] [SVN] SvenDowideit r5489 - branches/Release01x00/UnitTestContrib/test/unit
[21:44]
LavrI do not see that. And I have messages from today [21:45]
gac410I've got them in sequence working backwards 89, 88, 87 ... GMT Timestamp Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 03:22:08 GMT on 5489 [21:46]
LavrVery strange. [21:46]
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LavrI also got the mail I sent to the list a while ago tonight. But no checkin messages [21:47]
gac410And on trunk 5493 , 92, ... 5493 was Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 20:04:12 GMT [21:48]
LavrI am checking spam folders now
Not in spam folders
This worries me. These SVN mails are pretty essential. I hope my ISP has not gotten the idea that these mails are spam
[21:49]
gac410I can bounce one to you to see if you get it if you want. [21:53]
LavrThat would be nice to test. [21:55]
gac410What email should I use? [21:55]
LavrI can disable the ISP spam filter. I can also make it save spam in a folder instead of deleting. I have set this for now. [21:55]
gac410Done. [21:58]
LavrIs goes in the TDC spam filter [21:59]
gac410Sent 5491 and 5490 as a bounce (preserved original from address) [21:59]
LavrDammed
So I need to turn that off
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LavrIt could be that email we sent from the foswiki.org domain to many people that have blacklisted our domain as spammers.
If so we have a major problem
[22:01]
gac410I filter using zen.spamhaus.org locally - it gets by that. [22:02]
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gmcwe had complaints so were forced to shutdown the mail server [22:07]
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gmci have deleted everything in the queue (about 200 emails) and restarted it
should be fine again now
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gac410lavr, if you want, send me the last checkin you got, and I'll bounce everything after that [22:10]
LavrLast one I got was 5479. I would love to have the missing ones sent to me. [22:11]
gac410Lavr, I'll get right on it. [22:12]
gmcsomeone just replied, btw, that in Hungarian, "fos" is a rather indelicate word for the male genitals [22:12]
LavrThanks a lot [22:12]
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gac410Lavr - that should be all of them. [22:19]
hellmachinehi, is it possible to deny view/change of certain topics to AdminUsers? [22:19]
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gac410hellmachine: you mean that users in AdminGroup, and superuser admin should *not* be able to read a topic? [22:20]
gmchellmachine: nope, admin users get by all permission checks [22:21]
hellmachineyes
ok
[22:21]
gmcit's one of the first lines in the permission checking code.. if(isAdmin) return true;
(paraphrasing)
[22:21]
hellmachinethanks [22:22]
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Lavrgac410 it seems 5482 is an empty mail - I have all the rest now. [22:27]
gac410I'll try that one again.
5482 is mime-encoded. If this one is empty, I'll try again sending it as an attachment
[22:27]
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LavrEmpty again [22:31]
gac410okay - one more try - as an attachment. [22:31]
LavrHmmm. It is in the source. Just not displayed in Thunderbird
It is OK. It was not an important SVN and I can read it by viewing sources.
All the others are fine
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gac410okay - I did send as an attachment. [22:33]
LavrYes and that is readable. [22:34]
pharveypharvey wonders why his gnome-terminal sometimes decides to print garbage in the console in response to mouse clicks :-/ [22:35]
LavrThanks a lot. Now I am up to speed again
And now I can see who broke the unit tests >:-)
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pharveypharvey hides [22:35]
gmcpharvey: garbage in garbage out? :) [22:36]
pharveyevery click I make has purpose ;-) [22:38]
gmcuhu [22:43]
Lavruhu? [22:44]
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pharveypharvey wonders if blockquote button enabled in trunk - http://foswiki.org/Development/SupportBlockquoteAndIndenting - could be fasttracked for 1.0.8 [23:08]
gac410It would be nice. [23:10]
LavrThe removal of blockquote as a feature in 1.0.6 was in principle a bug
Adding it again is fixing a bug. Even if we do the UI a little differently.
Ie. OK with me in 1.0.8 as long as we test it well.
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gac410Lavr: A while back I asked you about a change to CompareRevisionsAddOn Tasks:8315 I ended up committing - No news is good news??? [23:17]
LavrTrying to remember
Ah. I have no worries about that
[23:20]
gac410okay - thanks. Figured it was pretty minor, but those can be the worst kind ;-) [23:22]
LavrBedtime good night. Fixed the broken unit test for FuncUsers [23:34]
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BabarLavr: if nobody beats me to it, I'll fix the unit test tomorrow
Babar fixed trunk, and hadn't seen that the release branch failures were still there
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