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usepidginshould the fix go in trunk (too)? [00:06]
gac410Yes, otherwise when 1.1 comes out, it will be out of order as well. [00:07]
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SvenDowideitoh grrr, who is responsible for the AutoViewTemplatePlugin in trunk core
its not actually been doccoed in the core docco?
actually, i can't find docco about how to define (and why..) topic templates for view&edit...
or is it just that they have a better name :/
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inneresting - i wonder if this crash i'm now seeing is showing up due to Babar's excellent 'use warnings' [02:12]
mmm, who hasn't commited this month :} https://www.ohloh.net/p/compare?metric=Contributors&project_0=Foswiki [02:23]
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pharveySvenDowideit: http://tumblr.com/xqua1giup [04:48]
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usepidginis MANIFEST supposed to list directories? http://trac.foswiki.org/browser/tags/FoswikiRelease01x00x09/core/lib/Foswiki/Contrib/core/MANIFEST#L354
I'm working on fixing this file. Should lib/Foswiki/Contrib/core/{DEPENDENCIES,build.pl} be listed as well? They aren't currently.
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pharveyusepidgin: I am mostly familiar with packaging extensions - in which case, DEPENDENCIES is used to drive the generation of the FooPlugin_installer.pl (so DEPENDENCIES are encoded into that file), and so in that case the DEPs file is not shipped
AFAIK one does not need to list directories explicitly. If a MANIFEST lists only the files, the directories will be created automatically
IIRC core/lib/DEPENDENCIES is used to drive some of the auto-generated documentation, and also help pseudo-install report missing libs or default plugins
so again, I suspect it is not required to be shipped with a distribution, but I only have hazy knowledge in that area...
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MTempestI think core/lib/DEPENDENCIES is used when building release packages consisting of the core and the default plugins [05:19]
pharveyah, there's that too ;-) [05:19]
MTempestI think that file defines the list of default plugins
What autogenerated documentation do you refer to?
[05:19]
pharveythe INSTALL.html or whatever it is [05:20]
usepidgindata/_empty is the only listed directory, so I assume that's an error [05:21]
pharveydefault plugins must also have their MANIFESTs included from the core/lib/MANIFEST [05:21]
MTempestHmm. I can't remember when last I looked at INSTALL.html - maybe 5 years ago? [05:21]
pharveyyes, it needs desperate TLC...
usepidgin: I would assume the same thing
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usepidginhow about build.pl, should it be listed? [05:22]
pharveymy first reaction would be "probably not", but I don't build Foswiki very often
some logic: if you don't ship BuildContrib, is build.pl useful?
if no, then... it's probably not meant to be there (unless you are shipping with BuildContrib)
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usepidginok, I built Foswiki and there's no core/lib/Foswiki/Contrib/core directory in the built directory, hence no build.pl or DEPENDENCIES [05:26]
so this would be my first commit. Do I need a Task:\d+ in the message? [05:39]
pharveyyes, svn won't let you commit otherwise
and I don't think we're supposed to commit to the tag branches, just branches/Release01x... and trunk/
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usepidginis http://foswiki.org/Community/HowToRequestCommitAccessToSubversion still accurate when we have http://foswiki.org/Development/RequestAccessToSubversion already? [05:45]
pharveylooks like it's out of date [05:47]
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usepidginI just committed. let me fix that page too.
what's the plugin syntax for redirecting?
got it, http://foswiki.org/System/RedirectPlugin
these were in fact my first commits to foswiki, I believe. how can I find out all the commits I've made?
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pharveyusepidgin: one way is to do use http://trac.foswiki.org/search?q=DanDascalescu [06:05]
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pharveyusepidgin: your commit stripped your corrected entries of their permissions bitmask [06:07]
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BabarSvenDowideit: I hope your excellent wasn't sarcastic :)
ah, Dan started commiting, great!
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usepidginpharvey: sorry, I fixed it. btw is there a way to commit both in trunk/ and branches/ without downloading the entire multi-gigabyte repo?
I mean, one commit for both. So far I had separate commits because I checked trunk/ and branches/ out separately.
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Babarusepidgin: not really, but if you use git-svn or bzr or svk, it helps a lot :) [07:12]
pharveyusepidgin: I never found a way to make two partial checkouts behave as one with svn. So I always check out the entire svn.foswiki.org... :/ [07:17]
usepidgin:-O [07:22]
pharveyg'night [07:25]
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IngoWolfCDot: one question regarding WorkflowPlugin - is it possible to put topics under workflow control which are not CamelCase ?
!seen pharvey
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IngoWolfgood night [08:05]
CDotIngoWolf: I can't see why not, though I don't think I've tried it. [08:05]
IngoWolfCDot: i tried and wondered why it was not working - when i renamed my topics from N001 to NeW001 it worked
CDot: I dont see a reason for need of CamelCase in this case
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CDotAFAIK there's nothing in the code that is sensitive to the topic name. It uses Foswiki::Func for that sort of thing. [08:08]
IngoWolfWould you mind spending a minute on a test?
it would ease a lot of things for me
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CDotIngoWolf: sorry, can't just now, deep in the bowels of something else [08:11]
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IngoWolfCDot: thanks in advance if you find the time in future [08:12]
CDotif you can reproduce the problem consistently, then raise a task [08:12]
IngoWolfok [08:12]
CDotI plan to spend some time on the plugin later this week for a client, so may get a chance then [08:12]
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birnehi everybody :) [08:19]
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birneo_O [08:46]
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BenjaminWilkhi birne [09:01]
birnehi :) [09:01]
BenjaminWilkwie gehts so in wesseling [09:01]
birneköln *g* aber nah dran
gut soweit und selbst?
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BenjaminWilkja auch^^ [09:02]
birneda macht man mal ein praktikum und muss gleich den buhmann spielen und sagen "das alte twiki wird nich weiterentwickelt ... wie wärs mit was 'neuem'?" :S [09:03]
BenjaminWilk--> #foswiki.de
;)
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birnehajo ...
an sich läuft soweit alles :)
problemloser weise
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birnenaja, bis auf die links zu alten twikiweb topics, die er nich als links generiert -_- macht halt das ? daneben ... wenn ich das anklicke lande ich sogar im richtigen entsprechenden foswiki artikel zum bearbeiten, aber ich will den link ja anklicken *g* [09:05]
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birnemh [09:17]
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NynkeFokmaHello all, I was contacted by a Spanish hospital for (maybe) a Twiki. After two emails up and down they now (maybe) want a Foswiki. I have recommended we find them a local consultant. Anybody you guys know in Spain that's up for a paid gig? And their main question that would solve the "maybe" is, "We would like to make sure that Foswiki provides a suitable solution for administrating forums -after all, the forums are what really ties our patien [09:49]
CDotNynkeFokma: no, But Will Norris speaks Spanish (based in Mexico) [09:54]
NynkeFokmaCDot: Maybe in France or Italy then? They would prefer a local partner - "not for language reason though, but for better involvement and easier support." My contact there says she is from Switzerland. [09:56]
CDotwell, as soon as you cross borders (or even city limits) it becomes a bit academic *where* the person is in Europe
or even south africa (same TZ)
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NynkeFokmaI know. Apparently they feel more comfortable "in the flesh" as they are a hospital dealing with that. :))) [09:58]
CDotwhere in spain?
CDot wants to check the cost of flights
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NynkeFokmaCDot: This is their current site: http://www.forumclinic.org/ [10:00]
CDotmaybe I could get some pro bono cosmetic work done too [10:00]
NynkeFokmaCDot: :))))) How about I get you in on the email conversation? I can't find your email address that quickly. Please give again.
Barcelona
I now have Koen in on the conversations but he seems really busy.
He told me he has no time for new projects at the moment a few weeks ago.
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CDottempting; been meaning to go climbing in the pyrenees for ages, and barcelona is quite handy...... [10:02]
NynkeFokmaOn another note, I still have to pay 10 euros, but have lost that email too. Don't know where to send it. [10:04]
CDotNynkeFokma: paypal OliverKrueger [10:04]
NynkeFokmaOk. I will contact him.
Or try paypal.
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SvenDowideitBabar, yes, my 'excellent' was _not_ sarcastic - i'm the type of person that sets warnings to full and then warnings as errors :} [10:08]
CDotSvenDowideit: bet you check the oil and pump the tyres every time you go out in the car, too ;-) [10:10]
SvenDowideitactually, nope
and worse, i've not done any maintainence on my bikes since the girls arrived - they're really due some :/
[10:10]
CDotdeath-wish dowideit [10:11]
SvenDowideitcar == 10 years old now, and has done all of 35,000kms
hehe
so the car mostly gets looked after by others >:}
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NynkeFokmaCDot: Would you be willing to be in on the exchanges with this potential customer? [10:14]
CDotNynkeFokma: yes, sure. I'm no expert on forums, but it might be interesting. [10:16]
NynkeFokmaGreat. Can you give me your email address please?
Or send me an email. I am on the road and don't have anything handy.
And lost all my email a while ago.
[10:16]
Not all apparently. I just found it. Email is underway soon. [10:28]
CDot: Mail sent. You were addressed. [10:36]
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seiffihello
i have a question
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BabarNynkeFokma: Switzerland? Hum, I'm in .ch :)
shall I send you my business card/ :)
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seiffihow can i configure that group members are not allowed to create a new topic?? [10:39]
BabarALLOWROOTCHANGE iirc [10:40]
CDotBabar: huh? [10:40]
seiffiand where?? [10:41]
CDotthat would block a new web, but not a topic [10:41]
seiffiI am new on foswiki..sry [10:41]
Babars/ROOT/WEB/ sorry [10:41]
CDotseiffi: in WebPreferences... there are examples already there [10:42]
NynkeFokmaBabar: It's for a hospital in Spain, but the person that contacted me is from Switzerland. You are more near, that's true, so let Crawford do the exchanging for now. I just pull in and pass on to you guys. After Crawford knows more, he can maybe pass it on to you, or do it himself, depending. [10:42]
Babarseiffi: in your web's WebPreferences topic, put: * Set DENYWEBCHANGE = YourGroup [10:42]
seiffithx
and with topics??
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Babaryeah, nearer from Spain... depends where :) I mean, it's still far away so this would mean flying [10:43]
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seiffii put * Set DENYWEBCHANGE = YourGroup in WebPreferences
but it doesn't work
the member of the group can also create new topics now
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Babar3 spaces
then *, then a space, then ...
and you replace YourGroup with the real group name, of course :)
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seiffi^^
WebPreferences topic => EDIT
and then i should write the command, is that right??
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Babarraw edit would be nice
and you should have some examples in the text, normally
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seiffiwell:* Set ALLOWWEBCHANGE = AdminGroup
I wrote * Set DENYWEBCHANGE = SchuelerGroup
they are structured the same
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Babarwith 3 spaces? [11:08]
seiffiyes
and SchueLer1 can Create new Topics
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BabarCDot: did I advise him wrongly? :) [11:09]
seiffi%USERSWEB%.SchuelerGroup is necessary? [11:10]
CDotBabar: not that I can see [11:10]
Babarseiffi: and SchueLer1 is a member of SchuelerGroup? [11:11]
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seiffiyes
because the accesscontrol on topics works
mom, maybe i found the mistake
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seiffinow it works [11:17]
BabarArthurClemen: do you understand the issue with <h3> now? [11:17]
seiffii wrote the command in System Web>WebPreferences
and now i found that WebPreferences is in Main too
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Babar203124228 <@Babar> seiffi: in your web's WebPreferences topic, put: * Set DENYWEBCHANGE = YourGroup [11:18]
seiffisry, for my stupidness
yesyes
i did it already, it works ;)
thanks a lot!!
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Babarnp [11:19]
birnemh, I have a problem myself and I just cant figure out where I got it wrong ... or misunderstood something
Im new to twiki/foswiki because I recently got the assignment to "update the wiki" ...
after some reading I stumbled upon the whole twiki / foswiki thing and now Im trying to migrate the old twiki 4.1.2 to the new foswiki
actually it works fine ...
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EugenMayerouch.
birne: you`re on the right track with the migration. 4.1.2 was very old and crapy, so is the current TWiki. Foswiki should work out
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birnethe only thing is, that the user topic generated by the old NewUserPlugin have those twiki links to ATasteOfTWiki" for example
these are not generated as links but with the ? behind it ... cliking on those ? it directs me to "BeginnersStartHere" to edit it ...
which confuses me
because apparently it notices, that it has to map the topic to the new name but does not generate a link
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NynkeFokmaBabar: Will you send me your business card for if and when someone from Switzerland contacts me? Or someone that doesn't care that much about location? Options are always good. :)
Babar: nynke@moebius.nl or nynke@wyrdweb.eu
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BabarNynkeFokma: first I would need to make myself a decent business card :) [11:26]
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NynkeFokmaBabar: Doesn't have to be that "decent". I pull with authentic humanness, not categorised blue and white slick consultancy.
Babar: yellow sunny relaxed "we can figure it out together, we do not make you dependent on us, you can do it yourself with a little bit of help" type.
"paid help"
We are not do-gooders
Apparently they use a "question and answer" website. http://www.forumclinic.org/
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birnebirne head scratches [11:30]
NynkeFokmaI have only had two email exchanges sofar, and need a lot more information to answer questions on users. [11:31]
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EugenMayerbirne: sounds like your migration did not cover all fields. Some links are still TWiki-Specific. Not sure, you might have problems with links to anything was "TWiki/topic", which now would be "System/topic" [11:31]
Babarbirne: you're using the TWikiCompatibilityPlugin?
NynkeFokma: they want to migrate out of plone?
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birneEugenMayer: the other topics just mapping to other webs work fine ...
Babar: yes, i do
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Babarbirne: and you don't have a System.BeginnersStartHere topic? [11:34]
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birneI have, thats where I started to wonder [11:34]
NynkeFokmaBabar: yes, I got an email saying they want to move to "web 2.0", and the email had Twiki as subject. Sofar I have just facilitated that to be "Foswiki" instead, and I have cc-ed Crawford in the next round. Hospital people are usually sensitive to "humanness" but also to "status" and I introduced Crawford as "president of the association". So likely they now feel treated as "important" enough. [11:34]
birnethe ? behind "ATasteOfTWiki" links me to edit exact that topic [11:34]
Babarbirne: that's odd, it ought to be there
Babar checks MANIFEST
it is in the manifest, so it should be in the release
how did you install foswiki?
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birnevia webmin upped the foswiki-1.0.9.tgz and extracted it ... I followed the installation guide step by step because its the first foswiki I ever installed [11:37]
Babarcrap, I've comitted all my fixed on Item:9001 instead of Item:9003 ! [11:39]
Seiffihello again
yesterday i asked you, how I can change the Topic WebChange
in the WebHome
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Babarok, I've fixed the Tasks, won't fix the svn as it's not worth it [11:40]
Seiffiand the link on WebHome changes to "Aktuelles", thats what I wanted [11:40]
Babaryeah, and you left before I could tell you it wasn't a very brilliant idea :) [11:41]
Seiffibut in Topic Aktuelles, there is not the same Input like in WebChanges [11:41]
Babarbetter edit WebHome to change the WebChanges to [[WebChanges][Aktuelles]] [11:41]
Seiffiso that, the name of the link is Aktuelles and goes to WebChanges?? [11:42]
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Babaryes [11:42]
MTempestBabar: I have a few very old user topics on my foswiki 1.0.6. They also show the ? after ATasteOfTWiki and TWikiUsersGuide [11:42]
BabarMTempest: and the link points to System? [11:43]
MTempestMTempest is investigating [11:43]
Seiffithnks Barbar ;) [11:43]
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MTempestIf I click on the ?, it opens this url:
http://my.server/foswiki/bin/edit/TWiki/ATasteOfTWiki?topicparent=Sandbox.MichaelTempestSandbox
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birnesame here ... besides the topicparent [11:46]
Babarthat's funny
so the web is not rewritten
and TCP is enabled, right?
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birnebut I get to edit the right topic there ... System/BeginnersStartHere [11:48]
MTempestTCP is enabled. [11:48]
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Babarcan you paste your $Foswiki::cfg{Plugins}{TWikiCompatibilityPlugin}{TWikiWebTopicNameConversion} ?
birne: you get to edit the right topic, but it's not shown as existing?
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birneright
if I link directly to System/BeginnersStartHere it works fine ... but not via the remapping in the compatibility plugin
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MTempesthttp://pastebin.eu/pastebin.php?show=538242 [11:49]
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Babar'ATasteOfTWiki' => 'BeginnersStartHere', so it ought to work [11:50]
MTempest%TWIKIWEB%.WelcomeGuest links to http://my.server/foswiki/bin/view/TWiki/WelcomeGuest [11:51]
birneits in my $Foswiki::cfg{Plugins}{TWikiCompatibilityPlugin}{TWikiWebTopicNameConversion} as well [11:51]
MTempestAnd if I click on http://my.server/foswiki/bin/view/TWiki/WelcomeGuest the browser shows http://my.server/foswiki/bin/view/TWiki/WelcomeGuest as the URL but shows System.WelcomeGuest, although I can see from the left bar that Foswiki thinks it is in the TWiki web
Also, the breadcrumbs show TWiki instead of Syste,
System
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birnesame here ... [11:55]
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MTempestbirne: You found a bug :) [11:56]
birne\o/ ya... wait ...
well, na, if it can be fixed I'll be happy :)
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MTempestDo you have console access?
nm - the idea I had won't work
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birnei have ... meh, afk [12:02]
BabarFoswiki::Func::setPreferencesValue( 'TWIKIWEB', 'TWiki' );
that's odd
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MTempestWhy? [12:02]
Babarcomment says: #Map TWIKIWEB to SYSTEMWEB and MAINWEB to USERSWEB [12:02]
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MTempestI will look further tonight [12:04]
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MTempestMTempest wonders about a register tag hander named COMP, as a well-behaved alternative to the existing CALC macro
Perhaps COMPUTE would be clearer
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Babar%BC% ? :) [12:15]
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IngoWolfCDot: lib/Foswiki/Plugins/WorkflowPlugin.pm line 118 return Foswiki::Func::normalizeWebTopicName( [12:39]
ColasMmm, seems that I found a vicious bug. It seems that 3 %EDITTABLE{}% on the same line crashes fowsiki, in a way that make corrupts the fatcgi state, makeing susequent views buggy, even of other pages
I am trying to get the minimal reproductible test case and will post a bug report (and a solution I hope)
The 3 EDITTABLE on the same line were ont on purpose but seem to result from a WYSIWYG editing
btw, only 2 EDITTABLE works :-)
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LynnwoodToday i'm finally delving into some ajax usage and I have a question regarding the utility of RenderPlugin.
I have already successfully implemented a load() ajax call that returns part of a wiki topic and inserts it in the topic being viewed.
But now i'm seeing RenderPlugin and wonder what benefits there would be to use this with a "rest" call versus what I have already implemented.
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Looking at the docs, it looks like i can accomplish the same things via load() call to view script...
load() allows passing parameters (as url params)
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Seiffihello
Can I change the names in the Jump and Search (field)
?
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pharveyLynnwood: I've asked myself the same questions - probably, it depends on your development approach; are you more comfortable in JS, or TML. I also prefer the .load() approach, generally, but with RenderPlugin you could construct most of your AJAX app without any helper topics at all [14:11]
Lynnwoodhmmm. interesting. thanks for that feedback.
i guess the role of the helper topics is a key difference. I'll go back and look at that.
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pharveySeiffi: if you use PatternSkin (default), you need to check your System.WebTopBarExample [14:12]
Lynnwoodpharvey: thanks so much for that feedback! [14:13]
pharveyLynnwood: keen to share any ajax + foswiki knowledge, it's fun stuff ;-)
Seiffi: you copy System.WebTopBarExample to System.WebTopBar, and PatternSkin should use the latter (so you can customise your own version, that way it's not overwritten during upgrades)
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Lynnwoodthanks! i'll keep that in mind. I got a couple of items I've got to accomplish but i've been excited about exploring other items. [14:15]
IngoWolfpharvey: hi
pharvey: remember your experiment with imagemap plugin
in tinymce?
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Seiffiok, thx
bye
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pharveyLynnwood: You use /bin/view/Foo/Bar?contenttype=text/html;skin=text;section=foosection ? I think the section param is the interesting one that took me a while to discover - probably there's a Foswiki AJAX topic on Development web somewhere we should try to maintain [14:18]
IngoWolfpharvey: any perspective for me to test it also [14:18]
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pharveyIngoWolf: yes, but I decided that it was not satisfactory. The code injects large bits of in-line <script> into the topic
if I were to do it properly, I would not do it that way
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IngoWolfpharvey: ok, but when i copy and paste the code that just describes the map it looks fine
at least when i use the standalone version
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Lynnwoodpharvey - in using load(), there is an option to include a jquery selector with the url, so i used that instead of a section reference.
i didn't know that i could use section as you describe.
i also didn't use the contenttype parameter... wonder if i need to.
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pharveyyes, so there are two problems: 1) I don't like the way it's implemented, 2) It does not work with current TinyMCE, or TinyMCE 3.2.7 [14:21]
Lynnwoodi did use the skin=text parameter [14:21]
pharveyLynnwood: it just avoids most of the junk your default skin generates
erm
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Lynnwoodand it made me wonder about creating a completely stripped down skin template for these kind of calls. [14:21]
pharveythat's the skin setting; the content-type ... there was a good reason I was using that: - well, I was transferring literal (not HTML text) around [14:22]
Lynnwoodok. i am returning rendered html [14:22]
pharveypharvey also thinks contenttype=text/plain does other interesting things, but can't remember what
Lynnwood: I've been meaning to study HijaxPlugin - it has been developed as a sort of AJAX framework, and IIRC it implements AJAX skin covers
it also allows multiple POSTs to save script and playing nice with strikeone validation
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Lynnwoodpharvey: hard to keep up, isn't it?
i haven't even seen that one. guess i'll check it out.
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pharveyhard, yes, if I could just stay focused on one task for long enough without having to context switch to other problems of the day... :)
g'night
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foswiki_irc0hi
i having a problems to crate a link to a share folder from a topic
i trying file:// but foswiki render it as file:///
an when i click it noting havens
any ideas?
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gac410foswiki_irc0 - see http://foswiki.org/Support/Question462 - for a discussion of external links. [15:12]
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Babardoes TinyMCE work without JS? [15:50]
CDotBabar: do bears shit in the woods? [15:50]
Babarreally? TinyMCE is that smelly? [15:51]
CDotgive that it's written in JS, the chances of it working without JS are somewhat slim [15:52]
Babaryeah, ok, let me reformulate
what do we want if a user edits with TinyMCE and has JS disabled
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CDottry it; see what happens
last time I tried, it fell back to textarea
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BabarI did, and it works, even though I cannot do anything :)
for the moment, we're having an issue because we're including the help twice, once in a twisty, and another time in a noscript div. But the help contains div with IDs, so the validator is not happy
so I've got several ways to solve this. 1. Screw noscript :)
2. make the ids dependent of the inclusion type, so noscript or nothing
3. remove the help when noscript
4. play with CSS to have the "top" twisty help displayed when noscript
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CDotCDot isn't clear what that has to do with TMCE [15:56]
gac410My local trunk checkout - edit seems to fallback to text editor okay if javascript forbidden [15:56]
BabarCDot: easy, the help text for the default editor doesn't have this issue, because it's plain text, so it can be included multiple times :)
the issue here is that TinyMCE requires the div to have id and be named something
which is funny, because the ID is duplicated
so I have no idea what the behavior is when you getElementById foswikiTinyMcePluginWysiwygEditHelp
so, any idea which one I should choose / implement?
ArthurClemens: If you read me, there is another <h3> in help for TinyMCE, which I removed too
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Babar sets mode: +oooo AndreU CDot Colas ColasHome
Babar sets mode: +oooo gac410 Lynnwood SvenDowideit terceiro
Babar sets mode: +v foswikibot_
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Babarso, nobody cared replying to my problem... great
so I'll leave it like that :p
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MTempestBabar: trunk also has the TCP ? problem [17:59]
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MTempestI think the renderWikiWordHandler could be made to fix this problem.
s/made/abused
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It works :) [18:42]
Babaroh, wave is open. [18:43]
MTempestBabar: renderWikiWordHandler can modify the web and topic passed to it. So I can make %TWIKIWEB%.ATasteOfTWiki render equivalent to [[System.BeginnersStartHere][ATasteOfTWiki]] [18:45]
Babarwithout touching the core? [18:45]
MTempestYes :)
I have tested it on trunk. I have not yet tested it on 1.0.x, but I see no reason for it not to work there, too.
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MTempestIt works on 1.0.x, too [19:09]
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Babarcool [19:28]
MTempesthttp://foswiki.org/Tasks/Item9041
My only concern is performance.
MTempest can't remember how to measure the change
Sorry - I have another concern: this might be abusing the renderWikiWordHandler interface in a way that limits future options
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gac410MTempest: I've wondered at times about a more generic rendering and save handlers that could "filter" topic content to repair things like this. detect/modify on the fly for view, and actually repair the topic for save.
Annoying one where I used to work was all the stuff inserted into topics by the Kupu editor, which was long gone.
Something like that could be used to prune out spam links from topics, etc. as well.
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MTempestInteresting idea :) [19:45]
gac410or maybe a multi-topic save plugin like Lavr's for forms that could search for problem text and provide a check-off list to allow save to proceed. [19:47]
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MTempestI would be happier with that. [19:49]
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LynnwoodDoes anyone have experience or strategy for loading completely different content for IE6/7? [20:09]
Babarcompletely?
there is the old IE6 trick
but I'm not sure you can abuse it that much :)
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Lynnwoodi've despaired at getting some js working for them but I don't want to abandon the much better usability for other browsers so i'd like to explore loading different content for those 2.
well, i guess my preference would be loading different sections.
what
what old trick is that?
i know about having conditional css statements...
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Babarit only works for CSS? [20:16]
Lynnwoodwell, let me check...
i have assumed so...
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Babar<!--[if IE]> and <!--[if lt IE 7]> are HTML entities, so they work for anything [20:19]
Lynnwoodoh, ok. [20:19]
BabarConditionnal comments are IE specifics [20:20]
Lynnwoodnow to figure a statement that offers one set of content just for those two and default for everyone else... [20:20]
Babar<!--[if IE 6]> ...
beware that this won't work on IE on Mac
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BabarArthurClemens: got the same <h3> issue with edit template (was attach the first one) [20:26]
ArthurClemensand in attach [20:27]
Babaryeah, but attach I 'fixed'
edit is still there
also, I've got an issue which you might have an idea on...
most important is: http://irclogs.foswiki.org/bin/irclogger_log/foswiki?date=2010-05-19,Wed&sel=442#l438
but might make sense to read a few lines up and down :)
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ArthurClemensit does not make sense to me to hide the help when in noscript
actually why is it in noscript?
twisty content should appear when js is not enabled, regardless of noscript
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Babarno...
the twisty is hidden by default
and shown when one click the help button (the one with the <h3>)
if there is no script, one cannot click anything, so it has to be shown
but duplicating it means it's a mess :)
I could copy the content into another section, without the divs, and hope it's nice enough like that, but that's silly
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ArthurClemensthe duplicate help message is there to not be in the way all the time
with no js
perhaps twistyplugin can be made to not show the content when no js
for the top one
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Babaryeah, I already expressed a few ideas on how to fix it
but none looked that appealing :)
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ArthurClemensunfortunately I cannot install HTML::Tidy [21:03]
Babarwhy? Oh, OS-X
you need tidyp too
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ArthurClemensArthurClemens trying macports [21:04]
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ArthurClemensnow to let foswiki know to look in opt [21:05]
uebera||evil whispering voice in the back of your head: you could cheat by using a softlink... >:) [21:07]
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ArthurClemensand where is libtidyp?
this takes too much time
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Babaryeah, took me a while to set it up, but it was worth it [22:00]
ArthurClemens: replied. Let me know if this still doesn't work
libtidyp is http://github.com/petdance/tidyp
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ArthurClemensthanks, trying right now
cpan won't install it. The source from petdance-html-tidy does install, but it doesn't let me run the tests
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Babarbut you installed the lib first? [22:12]
ArthurClemensyes [22:12]
Babarthen cpan --force HTML::Tidy
Babar thinks Sven had to force it too
on my Debian lenny, is passes the tests
s/is/it/
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ArthurClemensso I installed from source from http://github.com/petdance/html-tidy
now cpan says HTML::Tidy is up to date (1.52).
but running the test file gives a bunch of errors like Variable "$script" will not stay shared at (eval 58) line 5.
and then dyld: lazy symbol binding failed: Symbol not found: _tidyCreate
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Babarbut you installed tidyp?
you have to install the lib (tidyp, previously known as libtidyp), and then you can try installing the perl package
which should install just fine from CPAN, unless you're unlucky :)
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ArthurClemenstidyp installed fine [22:21]
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caterhi
i'm looking at http://foswiki.org/Extensions/NatSkin for any hint on how to change the position of the sidebar. However the stylebrowser looks missing / defunct and i can't find any hint
is there any other documentation available for natskin except NatSkin and NatSkinPlugin?
specifically i'd like to hide the sidebar
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