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RiskRewardHi. I would like to have a table in one Topic listing a few of the other topics and their current revision (i.e. topic = MyTopic, current revision = r104). Does anyone know how to create this? [00:05]
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RiskRewardIf anyone's watching, I found the answer: put this in the cell to lookup the current revision for topic DocsData:
%SEARCH{"DocsData" web="%INCLUDINGWEB%" scope="topic" nonoise="on" format = "$rev"}%
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Only problem with the above string is that it will report the rev of all topics starting with DocsData...
i.e. it also reports the rev of the topic DocsDataForm.
Dpj
Don't know how to limit it to just "DocsData". Anyone have any ideas?
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gac410add topic="DoscData" limits search to that topic.
That should be faster too, as it only reads the one topic.
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RiskRewardThanks, works like a treat! [00:59]
gac410Or you can use %REVINFO{web="webname" topic="topicname" format="$rev"}% [01:00]
RiskRewardThanks, that's much nicer! [01:01]
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Hi again. I'm having trouble doing formulas in a table. [01:42]
gac410Formulas ... you mean spreadsheet plugin %CALC macros? [01:43]
RiskRewardYes, exactly. [01:43]
gac410What are you trying to do? [01:44]
RiskRewardI have 3 constants (say a,b,c), and I'd like a result of ((a*cell1)+(b*cell2)+(c*cell3))
My forumula is currently: $SUM( $PRODUCT(R3:11, 2), $PRODUCT(R$ROW():C12,3), $PRODUCT(R$ROW():C13,3), $PRODUCT(R$ROW():C14,2) )
where a=2, b=3 and c=2
(oops, I also have a 'd')
I keep getting the result "10", regardless of the cell contents.
I call the formula with: %CALC{%MYFORMULA%}%
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gac410hm... Have you cut it down to a single product ... oh, and is your table a simple TML table | cell | cell 2 | cell 3| .... etc. [01:49]
RiskReward2nd part first: yes, it's a simple TML table.
And no, doesn't work as a single product. The formula: $SUM( $PRODUCT(R3:11, 2) ) reports a value of 2, when in fact R3:11 is 3 (so true product should be 6)
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gac410You are using 1.1.9? And server is windows or linux? [01:53]
RiskRewardActually, $PRODUCT(R3:11, 2) reports 2 (instead of 6), so problem must be there.
Windows server, Foswiki-1.1.8, Plugin API version 2.2
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gac410okay. I'm trying it here. [01:55]
RiskRewardThanks. [01:58]
gac410for one thing, Cell contents is obtained with $T(Rn:Cn) so $PRODUCT( $T(R3:C11), 2) would multiply contents of r3c11 * 2 [02:00]
RiskRewardThat doesn't work on my system. I get the result '2', regardless of the cell's contents.
Does it work for you?
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gac410See http://foswiki.org/Sandbox/TestTableCalc1
The last line has | 1 | 2 | 3 | %CALC{$PRODUCT($T(R3:C11), 2)}% |
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RiskRewardAgree, it works. I'm trying to figure out what I did wrong.
Don't know where I've gone wrong, but delighted that it works! Do you know how to tell it to use the row it's on (i.e. don't specify the row nuber)?
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gac410$ROW() is the current row. $ROW(-1) would be the prior row. [02:15]
RiskRewardso: $PRODUCT($T($ROW():C11), 2) ? Does that work for you? [02:16]
gac410$COLUMN(offset) works the same way. So $COLUMN(-1) is the column to the left of the current column.
hang on ... have to try
no :(
I think it should. let me look a bit
Okay,, got it. You need an R prefix. $ROW() returns a number. but $T needs a Rn so $T(R$ROW():C11) should do it.
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RiskRewardDoes Rn mean "real number"? [02:20]
gac410No a number prefixed by R
$ROW() returns 5 for example. so R$ROW() is R5 and $T(R$ROW():C11) is $T(R5:C11) ... assuming that is written in row 5
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RiskRewardI get it.
Have been blown away these past two days by just how powerful Foswiki is.
It keeps surprising me.
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pharveyIt's addictive. At my old workplace we failed for 4 years to find a replacement :) [02:25]
gac410Peeling an onion. Layers deeper as you dig into features. Dig until your eyes water :) [02:25]
RiskRewardI think I'm starting to understand DataForms, and combined with html forms and SEARCH it's really amazing what it can do. The Task Tracker at http://foswiki.org/Tasks/WebHome is a great example. [02:25]
gac410The learning curve can definitely be steep in places, but it really is powerful. Yeah I usually use that as a good example of what Foswiki can do. [02:26]
pharveyIt's really amazing when the users start discovering that as well. One of my users "clicked" and started building really cool WikiApps all around the place by herself.
Then two other users learnt from her... good times.
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RiskRewardThat's like the dream scenario. At the moment' I'm holding myself back from digging too deep, 'cos I don't want to go somewhere the rest of the team can't follow. [02:27]
pharveyI helped my users turn their SEARCH into JQGridPlugin grids which is another fun way of exploring data. Each row in the grid is its own topic, each column is a field in the dataform.
Also helped them hook it up to DirectedGraphPlugin
I eventually wrote http://foswiki.org/Support/BestPracticeTip27 so that people could download these SEARCHes as csv files
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gac410Keys are to identify champions to seed content. If it's not useful, people won't be drawn to it. Yeah DirectedGraphPlugin is really amazing. [02:29]
RiskRewardActually I read about the DirectedGraphPlugin the other night, and saw your name on it. It looks awesome. I confess to being a little obsessed with graphs. [02:31]
gac410Well I did a lot of maintenance on it. It was one of my feet into the foswiki door.
Start scratching an itch on an extension or two, next thing you know, 4 + years later, I'm release manager for the last few releases.
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pharveyhere's one tool driven from graphviz: http://wiki.trin.org.au/Mangroves/CritterQuery?Critters=Hypochrysops_apelles&Critters=Notiosomus [02:33]
gac410the trin foswiki is such an amazing site. Such a shame that the politicos cut funding. [02:34]
RiskRewardIt was the realisation that all of my documentation would be linked that put me on to using a Wiki in the first place.
Have you used Gephi: https://gephi.org/? As the kids say OMG!
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pharveyoh yeah. My CSV Tip27 actually was prompted by wanting a SEARCH-driven way to get the data into gephi :)
the Mangroves species interaction data I should say.
we did some nice Circos plots too
I love chord graphs.
What we found in Mangroves though was that we still only had data which painted a picture of how popular certain species are in scientific literature... not necessarily the true picture of species interactions in general.
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gac410pharvey ... for pseudo-install. Would you recommend a "-svn" switch so the svn linkage can be disabled by default for git users? [02:40]
RiskRewardWow, I just looked up Circos plots. Never done one before.
RiskReward obviously hasn't lived
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Thanks for your help again today, gac410. I'm very happy that my table is working now (hopefully people will stop demanding for an Excel attachment on the topic). [02:49]
gac410:) [02:49]
pharveygac410: I'd default svn off [02:56]
RiskRewardRiskReward exiting for lunch [02:56]
pharveyseeya [02:56]
gac410seeya RiskReward [02:56]
pharveyI had tried to make the svn linkage work with private svn+git repos because various consultant devs said that private svn repos were a thing
but I've never heard of anyone setting that up with pseudo
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gac410btw RiskReward, things like DirectedGraphPlugin will probably not be available to a windows server, at least not without a lot of effort. [02:57]
pharveydoable with strawberry perl IIRC
I had tried to make the TRIN wiki run on Windows in strawberry once, and I seem to recall getting DG to work
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gac410really? Ah.. must be a windows port of graphviz [02:58]
pharveystruggled a bit (a lot?) with imagemagic [02:58]
gac410And iirc, it also uses ghostscript. [02:58]
pharveyyep, graphviz has winders exes
and there's plenty of mingw windows compiled ghostcript around
the problem with imagemagick IIRC is that although you can easily down binaries for it, getting the CPAN libs to do their xs thing means having the headers around and consistent with the binaries... or something
pharvey can't really remember properly
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gac410y. perlmagick is really difficult to get right iirc. [03:00]
pharveystrawberry gives you a working compiler environment which is pretty huge
huge as in, hugely increases chances of success
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gac410I fought and fought trying to get Net::SMTP::SSL / Authen::SASL et. al. running on windows. Never did get the openssl libs to connect in correctly. [03:01]
pharveyd'oh. [03:01]
gac410I'm sure it can be done, but I never figured it out. But my windows env. is ancient. XP on a qemu-kvm vm on my laptop. [03:02]
pharveyyeah. [03:02]
gac410And tbh, I really don't have the interest :D [03:03]
pharveyI wonder if the Windows Server 2008 VM TRIN donated to foswiki community still runs [03:03]
gac410Refactoring documentation for foswiki devs is painful. changing subversion to git and amending instructions.. [03:04]
pharvey:/ [03:04]
gac410It's such a deep suject. Do we just leave it at how to clone & install. Include forked repos, tracking branches, etc? no idea. [03:05]
pharveyI'd say so, yeah.
A lot of the docs are rarely hit
Perhaps we can have a flag, %PREGIT% "this article is out of date" or something
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gac410I've cloned SubversionRepository to GitRepository, and SubversionBasedInstall to GitBasedInstall The rest have more casual mentions and I'm trying to edit them.
Just hitting "GettingStarted"
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We need to look into using the Github API to do the "List all extensions" command. Or consider an index topic on foswiki.org somewhere. [04:31]
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MichaelDaumthere are a couple of plugins in https://github.com/foswiki/distro that are not core plugins
e.g. ImageGalleryPlugin, EmptyJQueryPlugin, QueryAcceleratorPlugin, BehaviourContrib ... maybe a few more
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MichaelDaumHey CDot how is your svn -> git migration of your dev env going? [10:05]
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gac410Hi MichaelDaum Yeah I wasn't sure how to handle some of those non-core core plugins. [12:28]
MichaelDaumI though this was rather simple: non-core extensions have a repo of their own [12:29]
gac410On BehaviourContrib, it used to be core, In Release 1.0, so it needs to be there so that the Release01x00 branch checks out. [12:29]
MichaelDaumah ok [12:30]
gac410I saw similar issues with the others iirc.
Either that or at some point I found big chucks moved from core to an extension, so history was all messed up.
If they are there only for history, we can probably remove them. The "split" run took 40+ hours, so I was trying to only do the "big prune" once. :)
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MichaelDaumi.c.
I morphed my dev env to the new git structure today with all changesets migrated to the new repos
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gac410Excellent. [12:33]
MichaelDaumImageGalleryPlugin should definitely be maintained in a repo of its own
EmptyJQueryPlugin is ... well, not sure what to use it for anyway
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gac410What happened was one of my many attempts, I tried svndumpfilter (sp?) to filter the non-core out from the dump. Any time it hit a commit needed for core, but using a filtered extension, it would crash.
So my list of extensions came from repeated crashes from building a core only repo on the subversion side. Though that ultimately failed.
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MichaelDaumas ImageGalleryPlugin already _has_ a repo of its own it should be no problem to retro fix those [12:35]
gac410Right. Though we might want to figure out what the connection was. I wanted to err on the side of too much in the distro, not miss things and have to re-run a 40-hour extract.
(I need a faster system :D)
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MichaelDaumssd [12:47]
gac410gawd this stuff makes my head hurt. Comparing commit logs for ImageGalleryPlugin "distro", "github IGP" and "full git-svn repo" each one has slightly different history. [12:50]
MichaelDaumnever mind history for that one >:) [12:51]
gac410I think the "distro" version picked up some additional commits for renames from data/TWiki and pub/TWiki directories.
I agree with you, I'm just trying to be very careful.
Hey CDot How is the configure restructure going. Are you anywhere closer to a point where you could check in to svn and make the git move?
MichaelDaum: I'm pretty concerned about getting to a state where changes won't merge due to changes to both git and svn. I think it's safe enough to just remove IGP from "distro" but lets make a list and I'll fix them all at once.
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MichaelDaumya [12:59]
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CDotgac410: I just got back from a few days away, so no change since last week
a bit stuck on the logviewer thingy, but probly going to leave that to JS (hence the contrib)
*think* I got all the email initiation stuff shoehorned into core; though frankly it's all a bit too hairy for me to be comfortable
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gac410Hi CDot, yeah logviewer was a nice-to-have add-on. tbh I think it could be discussed whether it should be part of configure or part of the logger.
Though since it can reveal sensitive info, it really needs thorough protection.
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CDotI think it belongs in the logger. It's a lot of code that doesn't fit with the low-fat vision of configure. [13:34]
gac410I agree with you. [13:35]
CDotexcellent. I will chop it off at the knees, then >:-) [13:35]
gac410It could even be a LogViewerContrib I suppose. It could be deferred for post 1.2 even. It was more an afterthought ... "wouldn't it be nice ..." and the next code from timothe included it. [13:36]
CDotso you solved your problems with the git suppositories then? [13:36]
gac410I think so. We decided with minimal input, to create a monolithic "distro" repository which is all core + default extensions.
Oh .. + developer. So it's essentially what "pseudo-install developer" covers.
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CDotdoesn't the mean that moving things into/out of core becomes a nightmare?
lost histories etc?
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gac410No. The problem was dealing with stuff that were previously moved in/out. [13:38]
CDotok [13:38]
gac410If you could, avoid any further renames / moves, just to keep things simple until everything is converted. I think it will be okay, but safer to not encounter it.
Especially moving anything into a new contrib that doesn't currently exist / wasn't covered by the "pseudo-install developer" umbrella
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gac410 is terrified that a big complex checkin to svn is going to mean he has to delete distro and rebuild it with another 40+ hour filter-branch run [14:18]
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MichaelDaumoh oh [14:48]
gac410Is that bad or good? [14:49]
MichaelDaumdelete distro ... that's bad. I just moved all changesets into my new dev based on it.
... which is the second time I did this all
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gac410yeah. The last resort is probably to take each of CDot's commits and manually apply them to the git repo. [14:50]
MichaelDaumsounds better [14:50]
gac410It depends on how big CDot's refactoring will continue to be. [14:50]
MichaelDaumor CDot copies them over on his hend
^end
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CDotgac410: I already have a lot of renames/moves pending. Fairly fundamental to what I'm doing.
I have renamed/moved maybe 40-50 files/dirs
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MichaelDaumCDot, can't you check them in to foswiki/distro directly on your end? [14:51]
gac410Hopefully *Within* the core / ConfigureContrib structure. If you have created a new contrib, I start over, then Michael starts over. [14:52]
CDotI am deep in a series of changes that are well recorded in my local SVN repo. To replay that in git would be a nightmare for me.
within core/ConfigureCOntrib, yes
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gac410So instead I have to replay it Toss the nightmare over the fence. :D [14:53]
CDotyes [14:53]
MichaelDaumoh oh [14:53]
CDotCDot didn't create the git nghtmare...... [14:53]
gac410CDot missed the all important meeting where we decided to go ahead with the conversion.
We've been dragging our feet for FOUR YEARS ... yeesh.
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MichaelDaumand now we are facing a heavy refactoring of a core component ... in the middle of the conversion [14:55]
gac410So the fat foswiki git-svn repo still exists. Currently I can't "svn rebase" into the "distro" repository. I'm missing some magic.
But I *think* I can take any commits cdot checks in, and generate a patch using the git "email a patch" tools, and then apply THAT to the "distro" repository.
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CDotI am happy to check in (to svn) *right now* if it helps, but that will badly break =configure=
^badly break^totally destroy
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gac410It's already totally broken for me. It crashes when I try to run it locally, and the one on trunk.foswiki.org crashes when I try to save. [14:58]
MichaelDaumfirst time it only cost me one full work day juggling with diff and cp between svn and git. the second time took only half a day. maybe next time I am faster? can we avoid this constant git restructuring please and just start git-pushing. [14:58]
CDotpresumably anything I *do* check in can be unwound, if you think I have gone too far (and you may)
ok, I'll check in when I've fixed DBIStoreContrib. BTW should I be using git for that?
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MichaelDaumCDot, please don't use svn anymore. [14:59]
gac410Hang on... NOBODY push to git yet. [15:00]
MichaelDaumwhy not? [15:01]
CDotCDot waits for the dust to sttle [15:01]
gac410As soon as someone pushes to git, it will break the auto svn -> git merge. And I can't turn that off until cdot is done commiting to svn. [15:02]
MichaelDaumso don't commit to svn. lock it down totally. [15:02]
gac410We can't have changes coming from both directions. [15:02]
CDotso wait... you *do* want me to commit to svn, so you can lock down?
CDot is confused
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MichaelDaumCDot, better would be you checked out the foswiki/distro git repo an cp over anything you have in your current svn checkout area [15:03]
gac410I can't turn off the svn -> git automatic processes until we are done fiddling with SVN. I need a "This is the last SVN Rev" point to freeze to. [15:03]
CDotcp won't cut it, because 90% of the complexity is file moves.
and most of those moves are between ConfigureContrib and core.
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gac410When can you be in a position to make your LAST SVN COMMIT .... [15:05]
MichaelDaumyour svn status should then show sufficient D and A flags for things moved [15:05]
CDotyes; 373 D and A flags [15:06]
gac410yikes ,,, my roof isn't high enough ... I'd survive [15:06]
MichaelDaumthis is aweful [15:06]
CDotI can make my last SVN commit *now*, if you want me to. [15:07]
gac410I didn't even know there were 373 files in configure [15:07]
CDotthere are a hell of a lot more than 373 files in configure
that's just the tip of the iceberg
CDot counts around 650 files
.... without looking at data or pub
so, do you want me to SVN commit, or do you want me to try and reply my changes in git?
^reply^replay?
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gac410okay. Why don't you finish your day with your "commit from hell" And I'll try to generate a "patch" against distro and we can see how it works out.
The objective is to get to a "last commit" on svn, and I'll manually try to fix "distro"
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CDotOK, I can do that. MichaelDaum, do you have an opinion? [15:11]
MichaelDaumanything that saves me from a 3rd rebuild of my dev env is just fine ... [15:11]
gac410At that point I'll turn off the foswiki.org automatic tasks that propagate SVN changes into git. [15:11]
CDotgac410: one thing I can't be certain of is MANIFEST. I *think* it should be OK, but I haven't tested. [15:11]
gac410As long as you don't mind fixing it on the git side. [15:12]
CDotsure, that's not a problem. [15:12]
MichaelDauma patch created from CDot's checkin applied to the git master branch sounds good. [15:12]
gac410I'm not worried about making foswiki work. I'm worried about ending up with conflicting changes on the git and svn side. [15:12]
MichaelDaumnot good is a removal of foswiki/distro with a total rebuild of its history...which would break my neck [15:13]
gac410I think that should work find MichaelDaum So I'll go off and do some yard work, and this evening while you are sleeping, work on the final shutdown.
That will give cdot a few hours or so to get ready.
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CDotok. Dulce et decorum est, pro Foswiki mori. [15:14]
gac410CDot, tomorrow, you should be able to "git clone https://github.com/foswiki/distro.git foswiki" and that should get you core + all default and if the patch works, all your latest changes. [15:14]
CDotok [15:16]
gac410Or if you have your ssh key set up between you and github, git clone git@github.com:foswiki/distro.git foswiki [15:17]
CDotOK, 17903 is my last checkin. [15:18]
gac410okay great. I'll take advantage of some daylight and then get to work a bit later. [15:19]
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gac410gac410 is confused. Are you moving configure back into core from ConfigureContrib ? [15:21]
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gac410CDot: Did you want to also check in your DBIStoreContrib fixes.
That should be painless, as it's a non-core extension. Easier to get it all done now, than tell us "oops" after svn is read only.
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CDotnot finished yet. I can polish it off on git, I guess. [15:28]
gac410Up to you. I'm going to step away for a little while so you have some time. [15:28]
CDotno moves in that one, just edits, so a trivial patch to git [15:28]
gac410okay. Whatever your preference. Before I do anything more I'll make an email / IRC annoucement that svn is really truly turned off and I'll kill the cron jobs on f.o
But later.
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gac410Well ... That was much easier than I thought. [18:10]
CDot:-) [18:11]
gac410On the git-svn repo, "git format-patch -2" converted the "last two" commits into "email format" Then on the distro repo:
git am /var/www/foswiki/trunk/0002-Item12952-In-progress-changes-to-split-configure-bet.patch
So anyway, if anyone wants to take a look at https://github.com/foswiki/distro It *should* be right up to date with svn. A bit later I'll do the rest - shutdown the cron jobs, freeze svn, send emails, etc.
Oh and update the FoswikirefsPlugin xref of svn rev to github commit ... one more time, and enable the FoswikiOrgPlugin to actually update the tasks when a checkin is pushed to github.
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FoswikirefsPlugin/master 1c5bfd5 George Clark: Item11267: Work with older Foswiki API...
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